The Days Grimm Podcast
The Days Grimm, "arguably Indiana's most comical, thrilling, and controversial podcast", This three-pronged mandate acts as a primary filter for their guest selection. The "comical" aspect is reflected in its official genre of "COMEDY INTERVIEWS" and its history of hosting local stand-up comedians. The "thrilling" component is evident in interviews with individuals who have extraordinary life stories, such as people who survived shootings, rare medical conditions, and combat. Finally, the "controversial" element is demonstrated by Brian & Thomas’ willingness to engage in difficult or unfiltered conversations, touching on topics like homelessness, artificial intelligence, and religious hypotheticals.
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The Days Grimm Podcast
Ep.232 Jake Clark - If Possible
In this episode of The Days Grimm Podcast, hosts Brian and Thomas sit down with Jacob Clark, an emerging filmmaker whose debut short film If Possible has already made waves—winning Best Emerging Filmmaker and Audience Choiceat the Victory International Film Festival .
Jacob opens up about the challenges and triumphs of making a film on a shoestring budget of just $800, raising funds through Indiegogo, and rallying a community of cast and crew to bring his vision to life . The conversation dives into:
- The inspiration behind If Possible and how it evolved from a simple PSA into an award-winning short
- The realities of directing a first film, from script rewrites to missing reaction shots
- The importance of storytelling, symbolism, and delivering a powerful twist in short films
- Behind-the-scenes insights on makeup, casting, scoring, and working with local creatives
- Thoughts on the future of music videos, content creation, and indie filmmaking
From heartfelt discussions about homelessness and women’s shelters in Evansville to lighthearted banter about Goodwill shopping, music, and camera gear, this episode blends inspiration, creativity, and humor in true Days Grim fashion.
🎥 Whether you’re an aspiring filmmaker, a lover of indie film, or just curious about the creative grind, Jacob’s story proves that passion, resourcefulness, and community can make cinematic dreams possible.
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Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, everyone, and welcome to another thrilling episode of the Days Grim. My name is Brian Michael Day. My name is Thomas Grimm. What's up, dude?
SPEAKER_05:Not much, dude. Coming off a nice, thrilling weekend.
SPEAKER_06:Hell yeah, dude. Uh big weekend. Had a lot popping, dude. There was actually so much popping that um we couldn't make it to all things.
unknown:True.
SPEAKER_06:And one of those things we missed, we're gonna talk a little bit about today. But before we get there, Thomas Alfred Grimm III, would you please let our viewers and listeners know who is joining us in the Days Grimm studio today?
SPEAKER_05:Joining us in the Days Grimm shoebox today, coming off the high of his first, God bless you, film release. And he won two awards. The best emerging filmmaker and the film won Audience Choice Awards, Jacob Clark. How are you?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, dude, I'm doing great. What's up, Playboy? Just out here just swinging chains, dude. You got those damn awards, dude. Yeah, dude. Look at you.
SPEAKER_03:Very hyped and very hyped.
SPEAKER_06:How does it feel? Like to I don't know what it's like to win. You know what I mean? So like you won some stuff, dude.
SPEAKER_03:So that's what was so weird. That's pretty sick. Extremely big honor. I couldn't believe it.
SPEAKER_06:Did they give you like a trophy or something?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I got two trophies. I was gonna bring them in today, but I was like, no, I don't need to. That's way too baller, dude. You can't do that.
SPEAKER_05:On screen, pick up with his wife and one of the trophies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's just like pulling your nuts out and putting them on the table.
SPEAKER_03:It just literally felt like that. That's what it felt like. That's what Jacob looked at me. Jacob Belinsky was like, I'm gonna wear this like everywhere, dude. We went to the bar with him. Like, we're not putting these down. Like, be proud of your shit. Fuck yeah, dude. That's it's hard to be proud of someone.
SPEAKER_06:So the two awards you won were what again? The Thomas Sediment. I missed it.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Emerging Filmmaker and Audience Choice.
SPEAKER_06:Hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah, brother. And we are referencing the Victory Theater. Uh, what's the technical name?
SPEAKER_03:Victory International Film Fest.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, Victory International Film Fest. Thank you very much, sir.
SPEAKER_03:An incredible fest. An incredible. They've gone so far.
SPEAKER_06:So great. So many, dude, so many. Is uh is Indiana filmmakers still got a hand in this whole thing? Yeah. They're still dabbling with it. Absolutely. Um we learned a little bit about them. Well, I mean, we've had several people. Oh, it was with Shazabe the last time that was the last time we talked about Indiana film. Or Thomas Bernard and one or two.
SPEAKER_05:One or two.
SPEAKER_06:Um, but yeah, we did learn a little bit about them, and then hats off to that uh guy or gal that's running that. I know the one guy has now moved away.
SPEAKER_05:This this video this movie is like so cool because like I remember when I had wrote my short film and we had we'd gotten in touch or whatever, and then like I was like, yo, I'll buy a bottle of wine, we'll come over, we'll talk out our own. This is so romantic. Yeah, we did play some chess too. And then um such a mandate. We like worked on like I didn't even do anything on yours. You told me about it, and then like we tossed around a bit some of mine, but like it's so cool to actually see it like in screen. Right. It's come to full fruition, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06:Actually, not to we're gonna talk about you a lot for like the next hour, but real quick, now that you brought up your short film idea, having seen both scripts and concepts and having now seen the I'll probably make mine like in what 20 years.
SPEAKER_05:Wasn't yours a feature? I haven't made it.
SPEAKER_06:I know, no, no, but your your script. That's my question is like, what is your length looking like compared to what he had no clue?
SPEAKER_05:I'll film it all and put it together and then let you know. He's in writing. Oh yeah. You're in writing. There's no telling me so seeing this didn't give you an idea. But uh, I'll probably have Jake help me with color correcting and Da Vinci.
SPEAKER_06:Hell yeah. I like that. Yeah, you are a gangster, bro. I'm all about that. Uh Thomas like shot me a pick, or you shot him a pick of like while you were working on the project, and it was I had an aneurysm.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, the timeline. Yeah, the fucking timeline made my chest hurt, bro. Dude, that's a sad time.
SPEAKER_03:All timelines like timelines are like you realize how psychotic an editor is when you see a timeline. It's a representation of my brain because I am not work, I am not organized. Eli, the my associate producer and uh assistant director, as well as camera operator, Eli Bolin. Okay, you guys have probably seen him around or heard about him. I believe he he literally helped me out so much with just a editing, just like especially sound. He's so good at sound, and we went in there and we there's about 32 tracks of audio, and then the top track isn't that. I think there's about like you know, 15 tracks on top or something.
SPEAKER_05:You know, I'm I'm I I can't have anything that's in the I like I'll go through and make all my chops and then I drag it down, and everything will be like line one is solid, like done work other than transitions, and then line two is like needs color corrected. So then once I color correct them, I drag them into line one.
SPEAKER_03:I have everything like that. Yeah, I'm not organized like that. I'm like, because I'll I'll hide a clip and I'll be like, but that I'm gonna leave that clip there because maybe I want to it in case I want it. The gravel.
SPEAKER_06:I don't know if I want the gravel.
SPEAKER_03:I'm big into the comparison. I will take five clips and compare it.
SPEAKER_06:The name of the film is if possible. Yes. And I don't know that we've come out and said that. Um, but uh you started filming this two years ago a year ago, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Literally to fucking like last year's film fest, my first shoot was that weekend after last year's film fest. And I was so nervous telling everybody about it, so doubtful. And like I never did anything like this. But I think the biggest thing I'd ever did was get people together, send out a casting call. As soon as I sent out that casting call, I mean, reality hit me and said, uh-oh, you better have your shit together, little boy. Yeah, you got 14 other people now that don't want this. Yeah, now people are reaching out to you. What are you gonna do? Fuck, I gotta get this ready, this ready, and then it just really forces you. And that's what I was telling a lot of filmmakers last night was don't fucking wait. I think you should always wait on your script. I think you should hone in that baby because script is the foundation. That's everything. That's your script. Just say fuck it. Because the moment you say fuck it, you will be so much happier with it. Because you can rewrite as you're going. Yes.
SPEAKER_06:As you hit a scene and then you watch it in post, you're like, you know what? Those earrings look weird. So now she's now she has a phobia of earrings and she's never gonna wear earrings again after, you know, or whatever. Yeah, just write it in the script, dude. I don't care. Fix it, exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:You can always adjust your done in a year, but uh especially for first timings. Uh I I was just telling this to a lot of people, and sorry for reiterating, but I there were these guys that were like, I got like a 20-page script, I have like a 40-page script, and you're young, like these were 22, 23 year olds talking to me, and I was like, Bro, if you can say all the shit you want to say in five pages, do it because that is what will get your concept out. That's what Film Fest will actually submit, actually will get in. 10 to 15 and under is very good, but if you can do a five, tell your story and your idea in five fucking minutes, it will go so so far. And then if people like it, they get your concept and it's cheaper. You can do a five minute, ten times cheaper and shoot it in. And raise money with crowdfunding for the next time that's exactly what Mike Farley did. He raised money first, went to freaking California, shot his short film, and now he has a actual stable concept that people can get behind and more names. I'm like, dude, just do that.
SPEAKER_05:I know you want your big and he wrote that whole script on his cell phone. Wow, no, not entirely, not entirely, like probably like a big portion. Like 90% of it, dude.
SPEAKER_06:And then he said, and then I just started using my work laptop.
SPEAKER_03:It's crazy. He's a great guy. He's balling out, bro.
SPEAKER_06:I I've known Mike for like 10 years. No shit. He's such a good dude.
SPEAKER_03:I'm excited to be his cam op for whenever I can for the movie.
SPEAKER_05:So like like uh I just want to like going from so you've been in camera, we've had you on before, like you've done you, you know, with JRL, and then with the um different comedy groups in town, I feel like you've been a part of like two or three of them. And then you help with Breeze videos and stuff like that. So, like, how was the editing process different for you on this short film, like your baby versus maybe like a group of people's baby?
SPEAKER_03:I wanted to kill myself because of how much you look back at yourself. Like you were saying, you look back at yourself and you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Right. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why didn't you get that shot? And it's I just miss shots, and that's why again uh having an AD is important. An assistant director, which is the person that takes care of your shit.
SPEAKER_06:Can we pause on that? So I'm I'm film illiterate. I I love I love film. I love that. I love film, so I'll do the same thing I did uh with Mike Farley with you. So like the AD, why I just want to know some more of the structure, some more of the bones of like making a film. And though, yeah, it's a short film, but still it took a crew without that without my people casting crew, I wouldn't have to do that. And you had a huge credit list, you had a huge credit list. So shout out to everyone that even put five minutes into that film. Oh my god, everyone. Um I saw Head uh uh Head was on that. Drew, dead Drew, yeah. Shout out to Drew.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry, we'll get back to A D, but Drew, beast beast. I literally he came out to shoot, and we didn't even keep, we had to, it was a reshoot that we had to do, but it was under the bridge. And first night the sun went down and we just couldn't do it anymore. So, but Drew went out there, I said, bro, I need like a tent fucking shit made for protecting her dog, okay? And I threw him a big sheet of plastic, and I said, and it but that's all I had. I had one sheet of plastic, and I said, Can you do anything? And shooting started in less than 40 minutes. I was like, Can you do anything? He's like, Sure, man. He went over there and built that whole thing you guys saw. He built a whole entire like tent.
SPEAKER_06:And I know Drew Head pretty well. I I think it's safe to say, and Thomas, I believe you would agree with me, he thrives under bridges. I don't know what it is. Drew Head being under a bridge is just like prime time. Why? Dude, he's a beast though, isn't he? He's been like when he worked with us uh as our producer on the podcast, dude. So helpful, so insightful. Um I don't even think he wanted to be on the microphone, but then we eventually put him on the microphone. It was just like I enjoyed working with yeah, he's just so good.
SPEAKER_03:He's just he's there for it, man. But back to AD. Yeah, so an assistant director bones. What is an eight? Assistant director manages time and what shots need to get. They're a wedding coordinator, yes, the films. They are the they're a wedding coordinator, and as well as anything else, the director is like, what do you think about this? But mostly their job is time. Like, hey, we gotta get these five shots, and if we don't get these shots, you're fucking up. And director can really hate the assistant because we want to play with our shots when we play in these moments, and that's what really sucked about if possible. We didn't, I didn't have too big of a focus on cinematography, sadly, because dude, my head was in shambles just being a director.
SPEAKER_05:Like there was probably stuff going wrong, you're having a problem.
SPEAKER_03:I was worried about time. I was worried about this thing, so many things got fucked up, people are late, da da da da, these people aren't showing up. Like, it's just all and makeup. Like, I also was doing so much of makeup just because like you yourself, hands-on. Yeah, like really you didn't have a makeup makeup on two sets, uh, two scenes, and then uh Michaela Nikum.
SPEAKER_05:Are you watching a lot of those like murder makeup documentary people, and that's how you learn?
SPEAKER_03:I went and bought like 20 bucks worth of makeup crap and just was like, hey, we gotta. I mean, it's it's easy, it's just making you look dirty, so it's brown and black power.
SPEAKER_06:I guess that's dude. I do have to say the the uh the the homeless lady under the bridge uh very she looked very homeless.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, Natalie Selden French is a fucking gee. She is so good.
SPEAKER_06:All of the for the again, we did mention there's very minimal, there's very minimal dialogue in the in this film. Um and I'll let you explain that however you want. But because there's so minimal dialogue, the only character development you really get is through aesthetics. And when you meet Lady Under the Bridge, I don't know what you called her in the film.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Donna is her name.
SPEAKER_06:Donna. Donna. So when you meet Donna, uh aka Lady Under the Bridge, I I thought I thought you just like paid a homeless person 20 bucks to like come shoot a film real quick. Like, hey, bro, I'll buy you a meal. Like, I she looks so good. Dude, that's awesome. She looks so fucking good, dude.
SPEAKER_03:She better watch this and hear that man because she's ecstatic.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and that and Donna, the lady that played Donna, what was her real name again? Natalie Selden French.
SPEAKER_03:She actually often too in a sh in another film not too long ago. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. Uh I was so lucky. I met her at a table reading. I looked over the table, and this was before I had anything planned. I saw her over there, and I said, Oh my god. That's my homeless lady.
SPEAKER_02:So bad. I felt so bad.
SPEAKER_04:I have the perfect role for you.
SPEAKER_02:I know you can't say that. I mean, how are you supposed to say that to people? How are you supposed to be like what your kid would look like?
SPEAKER_04:You would be like really good almost under a bridge with a dog.
SPEAKER_06:No, but I'm just saying. But it's her facial. It was her facial expressions. It was like how she gets excited and makes like guttural noises. Like it was just everything she did.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, and she helped me out so much because I'm an first-time director, and she was like, How do I what's happened to me? Yeah. And it was something like I thought about it, but I just never I didn't say it. Portray it. And I was like, Well, you're you're home, you've had an awful fucking life. Yeah. And you're and you're disabled. Yeah. And this is the whole this is a huge point of what I wanted to say with the film of like, and that's why I partnered with Evansville Rescue Mission, because I done their campaign before, and you know, Evansville has 10 times less the rooms for women, and there's there was no women's shelters. Well, there I take that back. I'm not I'm paraphrasing that, but that there was double the men occupancy for men in Evansville, but none for women. And then finally they built the women's center uh this past year. I did not know that. Yeah, and um, so now women have homes to stay in for up to two years that are homeless and family. So I that was just and you know, layers uh and additives because when I was writing this, I had no no homeless person uh in here, and uh because it originally started as a PSA, like I was just going to make a one-minute PSA about the thing. Oh yeah, which we're not gonna disclose.
SPEAKER_06:But the take home message is a beautiful, beautiful and I think when people see the film they're they're gonna literally be touched internally and they're gonna be like, yeah, this this is this is what is wrong with the world, and this is this is what we could be doing better.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, I I I hope so.
SPEAKER_06:It's very deep, dude. Like it's very deep, it's very moving, it's very emotional. It's a wild ride. It shot very well. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:I do not think so. But I so many people like put together and like color correction and everything like that. Well, like he sees every little mistake with every single shot. You know what I mean? I can see it's the things we didn't get. It's the things like we got so much, but it's like the reaction shots I didn't get pisses me off. Like, there's so many times where we would leave set and I'd be like, I didn't get a reaction shot. I wasn't, I didn't get eyes looking over here.
SPEAKER_05:I didn't get but we were talking about beforehand, you know, like this is this is like your first one. This is your proof of concept, like we were talking about to raise for the next one or whatever. So you are you have that now internal knowledge of like now.
SPEAKER_03:I know. Now I know. Even though I will even if I just gotta film a whole day of reactions, yeah. I will do it. I will I never again will I say, no, it's fine. He doesn't have a look. No, if you have one line, I will make you look left, right, up, and down, just in case. Because you don't freaking know what you're doing. Turn sideways, turn sideways, look out the like everything else.
SPEAKER_06:Do you pretend like you don't have pants on now? Look to your left, you know what I mean? Like just do one of the things.
SPEAKER_03:But it's also uh the fact of I I told a lot of people I was like, I don't know if I ever want to direct again. I don't know if it's for me. I like I loved it, it was really cool. I think if I had a way better stable crew that knew exactly what I knew, because I brought all these people on and I was like, hey, you you want to help? And they were like, absolutely, but they didn't know it like I knew it. I I didn't involve them like I should have because I was a time and I didn't want to bother people, I didn't have any money. Like it was an$800 project.
SPEAKER_06:That's how much money that I you made that for$800?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that we raised$400 on Indiegogo. Um, or yeah, Indiegogo, and then the rest came out of my pocket, and it all went to cast and crew, and freaking costumes were$170. You know, it just adds up for those shitty sweaters. Well, Goodwill, man, they're pieces of shit. Fuck you, Goodwill. I'm not joking. No, I'm genuinely fucking goodwill. Genuinely happy. Prices are going so up at the time.
SPEAKER_06:Actually, that this is a fun stopping point. I I do want to bring this up. I used to in high school shop at Goodwill on purpose because you could get a t-shirt there that was retro cool looking.
SPEAKER_05:When I go out of town, I hit Goodwills.
SPEAKER_06:No, bro. A t-shirt there is$25 now. Back in high school, it was like literally some they still they're selling$50 t-shirts. Bruh. I know. It feels like all that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, because it's these guys that go in for vintage shirts and they vintage shop. Because it's become so popular. Yeah. But goodwill is meant for the folks, for the people, for the for the ladies of the evening. Anytime I go to like a like outside of Nashville, I'm with you. Like outside of Lafayette or Louisville, like I'm always hitting a goodwill outside of the show.
SPEAKER_06:Not everybody has goodwill money, Tom. I'm a damn bougie bitch over here, dude.
SPEAKER_03:And I hated that like I I just couldn't afford any cool. I wanted all the shoes to match, but at the end of the day, I was like, just bring whatever.
SPEAKER_05:It would have been funny if like there was like one way to get a shaky photo.
SPEAKER_06:Just a hush puppy flying off into left field. Just a whoop and it's gone. That would have been so great. Just a dude hobbling around in one hush puppy. I know. Uh that'd be yeah. Could you imagine? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Originally, Luke was like, Well, I don't I don't think we should have shoes on. I don't think we should have shoes. I was like, bro, you want glass in your foot? I don't have injured. Yeah, like you had this guy standing on a parking lot for 20 something hours. Oh, dude. How long did he stand? I'll make a post about Luke. Luke is an OG. I have to shout Luke. This is our protagonist. He is the main character. He was just, I saw his face forever ago, and I was like, bro, do you want to like do nothing and stand still for my film for hours? And he did. He would be out there all day. Like we did the night for day shot. He was out there for like 10 freaking hours.
SPEAKER_06:I bet he's catching catching a nice tan, though.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, he was catching a good tan. We also filmed in October, so nights got really cold, and I was freaking out. I was like, guys, we gotta get going. Like it will get cold. And then last year it was like fucking warm all the way up until fucking December. Yeah. So we were good. Was that last winter that we had a tornado?
SPEAKER_06:Is that last December? No, no, no. You call me at every tornado. So I get very excited about my tornadoes, brother. I get very excited.
SPEAKER_03:Brian the Weatherman.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Dude, we got a shove cloud coming in hot. Tom, Tom, look out your window right now.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, you know, honestly, the day's grim starting a weather segment isn't a bad idea. Not a bad look. Because it's the grim of the day.
SPEAKER_06:Not a bad look, dude. We got a hurricane down in the keys. Uh seven people reported dead.
SPEAKER_05:We just didn't lose power and only two cameras running. The flashlights pop out.
SPEAKER_03:Become the new Evans will watch. Dude.
SPEAKER_06:But yeah, dude, I uh dude, I'm genuinely just like enthralled. I'm so like, this is such a so I'm trying to think of some other like structural questions that I have. So like you mentioned the AD. Um you didn't did you have any other like well you mentioned that you wouldn't want to direct again.
SPEAKER_05:Would you have get like an assistant director?
SPEAKER_03:Like somebody, like a co-director, maybe somebody that shares the I think if I ever direct it again, I definitely want a I want the three people so know the script better than I know it and have like the AD to know all the shots at work with timing, a casting director. I don't want to deal with cast again. I'm sorry. It a good director makes a good casting director, and I am not that guy, I don't think. I know what I see, but I think if somebody else handles the PR of all that stuff, so much would be relieved. And also on top of um uh cinematographer, like having a DP to worry about all camera equipment. That's how I would want to direct again. I don't want to touch the camera. I would obviously want to look at it. I want to know what something's gonna be. You would love to be somebody's DP. I will oh yes, oh yes, oh my god, yeah. I feel like I I'm way better in that area. What's a DP? I'm getting real illiterate. Director of photography. The guy who frames all the shots. Yeah, he does he controls all of the shots and plans all the shots.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, somebody is as illiterate as I am as film and thought the same thing that I thought. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. Uh you said DP, and I was like, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_09:Now we're talking. Now we're talking. Now we're talking.
SPEAKER_02:Where are you going to brands?
SPEAKER_06:This is more my speed, dude.
SPEAKER_05:This is more my speed. Um what was it like winning two awards on your first entry? Because like I'm sure there's people there that have entered and like not placed.
SPEAKER_06:Do a lot of people walk home empty-handed? Uh, yeah. I mean I mean, how many films do you think were submitted in the show?
SPEAKER_03:Oh my gosh, there was there was over 93 films shown. Oh, so many. It's a three-day event. It's a three-day event. So many people are going to be able to do that. So many people. And oh my god. I mean, my movie was playing next to uh incredible, incredible directors, people that have been in huge film fests. I mean, people with huge names on I mean, m$50,000 uh projects easily, you know. So it's just it's just such an honor to like have this local fest that actually brings huge names in and supports this community. Like it is growing so much compared from last year, this year, it is oh my god, it's 10 times better. It's just gonna keep doing it.
SPEAKER_05:So if we get more creatives, more I feel like that's the one creative scene that doesn't apply to that social media post that everybody lost their mind over. Tom the shit talker over here.
SPEAKER_06:I swear they're fucker. Dude, he fucking hates everybody, dude.
SPEAKER_03:And that's the point though, to bring that point up. What what basically was that post that you like what did you say?
SPEAKER_06:Evansville was over here, and these are all the people that have the money, it was like and then all the creatives are over here, and these are the people that are like vying for attention and uh money for projects, and I have there was a divide.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, like I I I understand the point. Like I 100% get the point because it feels so true uh so much throughout your life when really uh what I've de something I've definitely learned is if you don't fucking push your shit, and if you're not the guy who's glazing yourself and constantly out there telling people and trying to put your name out there, it's it's really on you. It really is because there is there is a group of people, there is a community to always that's all it was. It was how it was being a creative inevitable.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and then you've got a bunch of these autistic AI shit.
SPEAKER_03:Bunch of art artsy art folks the fucking hands that are backwards and the fucking multiple fingers, yeah, dude. Yeah, it was lit.
SPEAKER_06:I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, stir that pop, man.
SPEAKER_06:How many, how many, how much interaction did you have with that? You had quite a bit. Yeah, quite a bit, quite a bit, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03:Quite a bit. Okay, yeah, sick, dude. Because I just think I see it as just especially like this past weekend, if you dive into actually meet people, and I I had several friends that I was just like trying to like bring into a group. I'm like, talk to these people. These people have been here, these are the people that know other people. This dude has a contact of Jordan Peele's freaking producer, dude. Like the these people, they're around you everywhere. You just have to talk to that's it's literally this this game, this the film industry is connections and network. Bottom line.
SPEAKER_06:Can you bottom fucking can you teach me how to fucking be successful in the podcast network?
SPEAKER_03:Uh yeah, dude. Keep being your sexy self. I'm gonna leave the room for a few minutes. It's not working out well. Bullshit. I think I I think the Days Grim is like probably number one podcast in the most areas.
SPEAKER_06:We're the trillist, I'll tell you that for real. Straight up. Straight up. Oh, and you know what? Funny thing you were talking about, uh uh, we were talking about that post, and that brings a good thing. What I want to get your thoughts on like controversy as an artist. Do you think okay, so my brother, and he will die on this hill. He says, Yeah, you should you should say more controversial things. I agree. And I was like, No.
SPEAKER_02:I don't like making people angry, bro. What do you want, bro? Do you want clicks or do you want that's that's my question to you?
SPEAKER_06:Like at maybe in like your field, like in if you hired me to manage or anything or like pr help produce, you might be like, oh, you would just be like, yeah, okay, we're gonna do that. We're gonna do 20 minutes of goodwill hate speech on this podcast immediately.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, well, some of the most important things are like fuck goodwill, dude. You know what goodwill? Y'all are fucking trash.
SPEAKER_06:Aren't they supposed to be fucking Christian too? You fucking hippies. Yeah, and then they hire fucking assholes, dude. I won't even say fucking hipsy assholes, dude. I seriously, when you brought that up, that's so much horseshit.
SPEAKER_05:Goodwill actually takes clothes from never mind, I'm not gonna finish that.
SPEAKER_03:Don't do that. I'm just saying. They're getting shady. Like, I follow like a lot of retro vintage shoppers. Shout out to Filthy, not go to Goodwill. They're like, we have stopped.
SPEAKER_06:You follow filthy? Filthy. On Franklin. Phil Yeah, he's lit. You gotta check him out.
SPEAKER_03:I think I know who you're talking about. P-H I L T Y. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, he's nice, dude.
SPEAKER_05:And there's a handful of I know several people that make like good money.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, just Phil's one of them, dude. He's been doing it for a while. Come on my podcast.
SPEAKER_05:So, do you have a second film already in the works?
SPEAKER_03:Well, we got one, we're thinking about entering the Jacob Owens contest this year for the horror contest. With it's possible? No. Oh my god, no. Um, just like five. It's a the he has a contest every year where he has one stipulation, and then you it's it has to be five minutes and engaging. And then you can win a lot of gear or I think a thousand bucks or something. Just something really fun to get. And I also have been dying. I'm not good at writing horror horror, and I think it is the hardest thing to write, especially five minutes. You can't it's so hard.
SPEAKER_06:It's so hard. Okay, but I was talking to Michael about this, Mike Farley, when we last interviewed him. And I'm not diminishing the field of horror. Like the horror genre has stood the test of time, and all the.
SPEAKER_03:All the you do need to start a podcast.
SPEAKER_06:So ladies of the evening, clock it in. Um no. So but yeah, so like uh scary films though, they've been going on for a long time, and the whole the whole thing is, and uh what I'm seeing a big resurgence of, and I really appreciate, is like less gore but more anxiety. Like a thriller. That's but that's think about Halloween, one of the original 1970, 1969, whatever the fuck it was, 1979, I don't know, I don't remember. Incredible. The original Halloween, not a single drop of blood in that entire film.
SPEAKER_03:No shit. I haven't seen it, but I'm not gonna say that.
SPEAKER_06:You see people get stabbed, that's it. Yeah, but there's no gore, there's no guts, it's they leave it up to your imagination. It's all exactly. It is all the build-up, the anticipation, the moment where the skin is crawling and you're like, where the fuck is he? Like, I want that. Like that.
SPEAKER_02:Did you watch Long Legs?
SPEAKER_03:I did. Okay. That I didn't like the third act, but first and second act are is the can of the thing. How are you divided?
SPEAKER_06:How are you how do you how do you how do you div sorry, how do you divide an act in films? I don't understand what that means.
SPEAKER_03:Oh man, that might be a hard quit. Uh like the first act is probably like it can't it can be your first, like it's like your setup, and then your middle, it's like when you watch a two-hour movie, the first act is like the first hour. All the seller bullshit.
SPEAKER_05:It's building up to where the second act is like at the end of the second act is like all hope is lost, and then your third act is the wrapping up.
SPEAKER_03:The climax or revolution or however the descriptive is love a good climax. I love good climax. Don't know. What about pre climax? You know, there's several different types of storylines.
SPEAKER_06:Sometimes, yeah, I love a good edging. Yeah, I'm glad you bring that up. See storylines like what we were talking about earlier. Yeah, it's all about the story. Pre climax is magical. Awesome. I love it. I'm on top. I like to get there, but not go there.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I wanted to make a movie just. Of climax. Have you seen Climax?
SPEAKER_03:I think that's an adult film. It damn near is. You guys, do you guys know anything about it? It's an A24 film, dude. Oh, I love H24. A24 fucks hard. No, climax is yes, dude. A24 fucks hard. That shit. This is a good thing.
SPEAKER_05:I just wanted to make a movie to where like it's like you would think it's an act one and you get enough attention on this character, and then like they drop their phone and like run into a mailbox and die. And then it starts with like the next person's life. Straight tragedy. It's just like just like building up connection and then just like life. You know what I mean? Yeah, character development. Character development. Like you're riding on a boat back to America and a missile hits you. Just showing people's deaths. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:How do you how do you end a film like that? Dude, I love movies like this. I love tragic.
SPEAKER_05:If somebody dies and it just the film stops. Or it repeats. Honestly, if I could code in a repeat, I would do that.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, and you know what's crazy about you know tragedy films that end really sadly and a lot of people don't like them. Do you guys know 28 years later, 28 days later, that franchise? Yeah, 28. Have you seen any of them? I've seen all three.
SPEAKER_06:I haven't seen the bullshit ones.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:I've seen the second one. I've seen 28 days, I've seen 28 weeks, and I just saw the 28 years. And now the fourth one, 28 years later, part two is coming out later this year.
SPEAKER_03:Well, did you know in 28 days later they filmed the ending for everybody just dying? They showed it to a screening, they showed it to an audience, and they hated it. So they spent thousands of more dollars to reshoot what you see now. All the filler and all the all the the actual ending where they saved them on the plane, they reshot it because everybody hated it. Because it the audience hated it. And they were and then they did it like that, and it became incredible.
SPEAKER_05:Like that's why it's good to do pre-screenings like you saw. You showed up and you told Brian you didn't realize he was an actor. Yeah, yeah.
unknown:I have got a message over here. Sorry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Brian is Brian Day is an actor. Three, two, one, and action. Okay, yes. We are back. Okay.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but that's why it's good to do like a pre-screening, like we were like you were talking about before. You got to see a pre-screening of a movie Brian was in.
SPEAKER_06:Barely in it.
SPEAKER_03:Barely in it. Hey, actually, no. Barely in it. Yeah, actually, no. That's what you were not buried.
SPEAKER_05:You just watched a nine-minute film, and if you think about how long you guys recorded, how long is Shane's film? Did you see the film?
SPEAKER_03:I think it was under two hours or right at two hours.
SPEAKER_06:I can't remember. Have we said the name of the film on the podcast yet?
SPEAKER_05:I don't know. I think you did with Shazabe.
SPEAKER_06:This two shall pass. Yeah, he did say we could talk about it. Yeah, this too shall pass. We can talk about it. So you saw a screening with like a handful of like other filmmakers and whatever. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, dude, it was great. Pretty tight? Oh, yeah, it was really tight. It was very, it was one of the most uh unique creative ways of to stylize a movie with the dialogue. I thought that his style was really fucking funny.
SPEAKER_06:I was very confused. Mm-hmm. In a good way. Like it's and you're reiterating the fact that it was unique. Because when he was explaining it to me, I was like, I was like, this is it doesn't make sense in my head how you're explaining to it. And he was like, no, trust me, just fucking.
SPEAKER_03:I'm glad he added you in there though. Your voice plays.
SPEAKER_05:I tried to get Brian to be the lead out, like the main actor of mine, and he Brian was like, no.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you could be, dude.
SPEAKER_06:Do I have to talk at all? Can I have like minimal lines? Yeah, actually, yeah. Can I have just like minimal lines? Just arguing.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, there you go. That's easy. I can yell at anybody. Exactly. There you go.
SPEAKER_06:But if that's it, and then it's just mostly walking and shit, I can do that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, mostly castaway. I like that.
SPEAKER_06:Fucking lost a goddamn volleyball and his fucking life is in shambles. Yes, dude. Shout out to fucking Wilson, dude. No, I don't know, man. So um we were talking about, so you you do have an you have another project you are attempting, or it's like it's in script.
SPEAKER_03:We got a script going, but also Who's we?
SPEAKER_06:Is it a team at me and Eli.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so it's a team. Also as well as Brianna.
SPEAKER_06:But you wrote this entire script. This for if possible, that entire concept was you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I showed originally, like sorry, I'll re go back to what I was saying earlier. I wrote it as a PSA, and I was like, Yeah, it's really quick, it's a minute. And then the longer I thought on it, the more I just kept Elaborated. Yeah, elaborated, just meditated on it. I wanted more. I was like, I can say more in what I want to do. And I showed it to Bree just like this PSA, like boom, there's there's what it is. And she was like, That's it. And you know, Brie's an incredible writer, she will tear your shit apart and cut out fat. That's so necessary. Yeah, Brie's a fucking. You can't have, I truly believe in this field, you alone as a creator is awesome. But I promise you, the more people you will integrate into your idea, is it will make it better. It will.
SPEAKER_06:There needs to be substance and value to the the individuals you're bringing in. Just don't bring in like your blind grandmother. Well, like you know what I mean. Like don't like bring in some home. Unless she has money, unless she has money. If that old blind bitch has got money, like execs.
SPEAKER_05:You're watching them watch it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. I've been watching, I was watching you guys watch that the whole time. I was like, you wait, you look to see, like you look to see.
SPEAKER_05:Not only that, but like if you lose their attention, like if they start playing with their phone or something else, you know what I mean? Or like they look away for whatever you've lost them in that moment. And I don't think I looked like away other than to look at the screen to see the difference in the color.
SPEAKER_06:No, I was I was locked in. Yeah, you were very good. I was I was fucking locked in. I was like, I'm gonna fucking figure this out. I'm gonna fucking I got this. I got this ambiguous shit. I got fucking nothing. We all the way to the end, I was like, ah fuck! Oh god damn it. I fucking had no idea, dude.
SPEAKER_04:That was fucking wild, bro. I love that. And that's it.
SPEAKER_06:And again, we're not we're not gonna we're not gonna you know give it away.
SPEAKER_03:Divulge that information.
SPEAKER_06:But just know that it is it's a it's a movement, man. This is an international movement. This is I mean, people in Beijing could benefit from that. And it really is, as you were saying, it is essentially, in short, a long PSA. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. And it's it's earth-shattering. I really think I really think that that you you've made something beautiful, and again, you gotta you gotta watch it to uh see get it.
SPEAKER_03:What uh what camera are you shooting on? Uh so we used A7S III for a big chunk, but also a huge chunk. I would say it's half and half FX3. Eli brought his FX3, so he was also line producer, just like supplying all the gear, but also JR Local produced most of the gear, like lights, audio, like the you know, he came and clearly. Shout out to Jorn, man. Yeah, big shout out to Jorn. He was there setting up lights. He would have to do it. Was he really? He actually came out and put hands on one of the posts uh down more.
SPEAKER_06:He's he brought a 12-foot ladder. Jorn, fucking stop it. Stop being such a good fucking person.
SPEAKER_03:That was our practice run when we went to go get concept shots. It's at the top, it's up more. It's that post down. Yeah, I think that one. Yeah. It's yeah, Jorn bought a fucking 12-foot ladder and it was crazy. Big shoots, dude. Yeah, it was it was fucking awesome. Oh, that one, yeah. See Joran's.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah, in the scene with the with with uh that was a question I had with the police officers. Yeah, dude. How hard was that to set up?
SPEAKER_03:Dude, easy. How that was Quincy Cole, because I've I shot for EPD before. We did all use campaigns. So like I had contacts and I was like, hey, is anybody and I again what's the legality?
SPEAKER_06:What's the legal as long as our badge number isn't in it, you're good. Or car number, I'm assuming.
SPEAKER_03:I guess so.
SPEAKER_06:Dude, I don't know. Talking to the goddamn director, he's like, Well, uh, both the badge number and the car number were in the film. So uh we're gonna find out.
SPEAKER_03:Sorry, Nazi. I don't know.
SPEAKER_06:Was that an actual officer that was in Quincy Culver?
SPEAKER_03:He was really mad. He's so nice, nice guy. I look he will you send a guy away? I hit up, I hit up the chief of police, and then he sent my number to like five other police officers like, hey, anybody want to be in a film? And then Quincy was like, I would love to. And he came out and was so willing. He's like, Do I have lines? Do I not? I was like, You you can have lines, you didn't, but do you want them? I was like, What do you what do you say when you see a dead person? Say that thing. And he was like, Bet, I'll say the thing. Dude, I got a what did what did he say? Uh 1099, I he I were.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, it was like uh I got a movie for you. It's guns and hoses, but it's convicts versus cops, and the convicts get to fight the cop that arrested them to get out.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, cops would die. So cops would get pumped.
SPEAKER_05:Like Death Race, but did you say this is a film idea?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I love that as a film idea.
SPEAKER_04:That's a good one. I like that. I love that.
SPEAKER_03:That's a new society dystopia.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, guns and like some of my favorite novels that I've read are like dystopian, like uh um Yevgeny's Anyatons, uh, Us. Yeah, like the fucking dystopian future where like shit is just so wild. Like you just said Death Race is a prime example. Um but yeah, that would be a killer.
SPEAKER_05:I just re-watched Death Race and I was like, dude, I had this idea a while ago. Maybe put it out there. Maybe put it out there.
SPEAKER_06:Maybe we just edit this whole section out so nobody steals our shit and start writing a script right fucking now.
SPEAKER_03:That was another thing that I was really the moderator that asked a question. He Mechus McMec. Oh my god, I'm fucking. What's a moderator? It's the guy who asked all the filmmakers questions after the showing. Oh, really? And you have like a microphone and you're like talking to people. Okay, nice. And he asked, he was like, I was just so surprised how you made it look and feel dystopian with all the shit around. He's like, I've shot in Evansville a lot, and that's very hard to do. He was like, How did you do that? I was like, high angles, I guess. Looking down. I was like, because I constantly see shots where there's just fucking cars in the back. I didn't because like originally I needed it to be blank the biggest parking lot in existence. Like I needed in infinity over there, infinity over here, just to make it that feeling of we are in a desert.
SPEAKER_06:Did you ever play with it now on that topic? Did you ever play with the idea of like potentially like finding the biggest space that you could, but then editing, trying to edit it to make it look bigger than it was? Is there even a way to do that? Like I wish I I thought about it. So where you could like make generate a screen look bigger?
SPEAKER_05:I feel like Jesse Bitter or Tony Tripp could figure it out.
SPEAKER_03:I in the very beginning, I was hitting Jesse. Jesse was actually supposed he came to the first script reading. He was supposed to come help out, but he got COVID literally our first shoot. Dude, shout out to Bittersuites. Sick motherfucker. Dude, it's a good one. Shit gets me chilling. Well, now he's working for some automotive company. And it's just popping off. That's awesome. Just means millions of views. Yeah, dude. Wait, did he shut down Bittersuites then or is he still running? No, he still does on the side. Okay, good, good, good, good, good. But it's just like, I mean, that just goes to prove like this is a really creative community that I know so. I feel like the community's super creative. I just almost feel like there's niches. Yeah, I because and I here's here's my point to the niches. And I think I I was I my algorithm is nothing but filmmaking shit now ever since I've started doing this, submitting to film fest. So now I'm getting all these awesome pointers from screeners and big people that have been doing this for years. No, and they're just like, you you as a director, you as a filmmaker, you make films for your audience, which is your friends on Facebook and your connections. Truthfully, you the your follow amount of followers you have, the people that are getting hyped about your stuff, it matters. Sadly, and hopefully you get it in front of other people, obviously, at FilmFest, but you make for your niche. You do. You make for the people that are standing next to you and the people that know you. Do you think that's just end all be all? I don't know. I don't I think it'll change. I hope.
SPEAKER_06:But like if you not not necessarily for you, but do you think like any new filmmaker, anybody getting into the film game, do you think that really is truly the end-all be-all? Or do you think there is the potential for someone to have such a huge concept and such a moving topic and such a such a wealth of knowledge in their own brain to portray it as vaguely as possible, to portray and hit deeply to as many people as possible, to where you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Because there's a lot of pitch meetings where like you can get good funding and good backing for your idea if you like get a good pitch going and you get in front of people, like so many people. Yeah, man. So it's like it's if you just want to go make something, make it for your people, like go go make it for your little community, go make it for your friends, and then put it into fest. And whoever else sees it, sick, promote it. What's it have you gotten any of these responses that you're just like, oh fuck, like like just make you tear up? Dude, yes, man. There's a guy, dude. There's so I was tearing up. Like, I literally was walking out after the awards, and I was starting to tear up because, dude, I did not think people would react this way. I did not have like I was so nervous. I thought every watching it, I thought everybody was like, This is stupid, this is dumb, I don't get it. You're this is fucking boring. Like, and I didn't my biggest fear was making um my casting crew embarrassed to be a part of it. That was my biggest worry. I care about them more than any audience member. I they're on, they their faces are everywhere on my project.
SPEAKER_06:But they signed on, they saw the script, they heard the concept, and they were like, Yes, fuck yeah, bro. Yeah, they did true.
SPEAKER_03:So like it's art, and like execution, you gotta roll the dice.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but yeah, and then the execution is what brings it home. Right. The grand finale tits. Thank you. Yeah, that was so nice.
SPEAKER_03:I was hoping for ooze and ahs, but I didn't get that. I got it.
SPEAKER_06:Just a lot of like huh?
SPEAKER_00:What the fuck?
SPEAKER_03:So that's like why my whole slogan is a POV never seen before. And some people were like, Because you don't know how to react.
SPEAKER_06:No, this is truly original. Thank you. Never have been done before. So what do you think? Okay, uh through the this took you how long to film? So you started uh almost a year to date ago. Um so how long did it take to actually like start and and then last shot?
SPEAKER_03:Like Oh, damn. Oh man, like wrapped on October to the end of September. Oh no, we did do one shoot in November. We did do it was like first or second week of November, and we did one last final week. We just filmed it on like weekends? Yep. But there was a couple during the during the week because. Oh, you made a post about it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I did. Yeah, you made a post about it, and you were like, all right. And then somebody said, Okay, that's a rap, and you're like, okay, but also can we shoot this. Can we go shoot one more fucking Yeah?
SPEAKER_03:My brain, my brain, dude. It's scatter brain. And everybody was like pushing me.
SPEAKER_02:They were like, I think it's a rap. I think it's rap.
SPEAKER_05:I was like, I think we could get like six more different three more weekends before the cold sets in.
SPEAKER_03:And then you know, they forced me to say rap because it was a rap, but then I remembered, I was like, oh wait, shit, no, I could use two more shots. I'm so glad we got those two more shots. But yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So so three months and then two shoots, basically. Yeah. Three months and two shoots. So, like Did you film it in order or did you film location?
SPEAKER_03:No, location, definitely. We started out with Natalie Donna, the Donna character, Natalie Selden. We she was the first shoot that we did, and that was a whole day. Tried to do the underbridge scene, had no fucking time. Sun went down, I was so mad, so angry, and then but it was so good that we reshot it. It was thank God we reshot it. I wouldn't have been able to do it. But again, it comes down to all the people that fucking helped. I wouldn't have been able to get all that gear out there in 20 minutes, and also having a child actress and all these actors I never dealt with, so it was like we didn't get to play a lot because it was like we got three hours, it took an hour to set up and talk, and now we better fucking start rolling. Yeah, right. And it's next location, next time.
SPEAKER_05:Right, I'm running out of fruit snacks for this kid over here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, this toddler is getting antsy. And she Gwen Guinevere Ray, she's actually I am shocked I got that kid. She has been in like major YouTube videos, major campaigns. She's incredible. She's the only one on my IND when you go to if possible's Letterboxd, yeah, she's the only one with a fucking profile. Oh, yeah. Because she's a pro. Yeah, she's bidden. She's 12 years old. She's 12 years old. She has more money than my podcast has. That's a huge portfolio. Her mom is just great at advertising her. Dude, sick, man. Yeah, she's a she's a killer, man.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, man. That's that's nice. And then also, don't forget, anytime you ever need under the bridge work, Drew Drew Head is your fucking man.
SPEAKER_03:He is the fucking guy.
SPEAKER_06:That is your under the bridge work guy.
SPEAKER_03:Is that the moderator that was just uh yeah, he was at the at the other side. That's that joker right there. That's Matt Alm. He is the only reason not only reason, but he's the biggest reason why we have a film community and victory at fest. He is an actual legend, man. Oh yeah. Oh, so we're just looking at all that.
SPEAKER_06:Dude, it's nice, bro. It's nice. And then it's like, because you were really, really stressed about it. I don't remember if we were if we were rolling when we said this or not. I don't think we were rolling. Whenever I had mentioned I was talking to Shane about you, and I we were talking about if possible, and I told him how excited I was about it. And he was like Appreciate that. He was like, Yeah, he's working on it for like a year.
SPEAKER_05:When you didn't really show it to too many people, that was it was kept extremely close.
SPEAKER_06:Yes, yeah, you kept it very close to best. Like you did not show anybody until just like two months ago. Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_03:Because even then, it was like my wife and one other guy. Yeah, dude. And Joran was like, Can I watch it? I was like, fucking. No. No. I was like, I have to, you have to see it on a big screen, you have to have audience. Like it changed, like experiences so much of a film. And it's like if you experience something on a big screen like that, you just have a a bigger, it has a big impact on it.
SPEAKER_06:Dude, I'll be honest with you, sitting up here watching it with two weird dudes next to me, uh still fucking I'm fucking super pumped.
SPEAKER_03:It means the story is there, dude.
SPEAKER_06:No, it's it's I think you could show that to one dude in a room full of crickets and he would have a fucking really good time. Hell yeah, I appreciate that. That's fucking sick, dude. Like, I really don't think that this film matters with like your surrounding or your audience. I mean, so long as you don't have like somebody like yelling during the film or whatever.
SPEAKER_03:So, do you guys get annoyed by how many creatives are kind of like always out and about? Because it's always like the creatives that are always like pushing their stuff. Do you guys ever get because I feel really bad about constantly like pushing out? This is my project, so I feel like I've made thousands of posts about me, my, my, my, my, my, my, my.
SPEAKER_05:No, but you're building the story of the project.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I right, but I feel like I'm annoying the shit out of people. Do you guys feel annoying out? I actually like like from our perspective about the project. Like as a viewer, no, no, no, as a viewer of like other creatives that have projects going, do you ever just are like, we get it?
SPEAKER_05:No, dude. No, I can put you onto this guy, I know in Indy. He actually has like the same name here. And like, dude, the stuff he's doing up there is crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but he's always sharing, always.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, always like behind the scenes. Like, that's like like, and what I think is on like the creative aspect of social media is like I hate so like Instagram was originally made for like the creative, the photographer, the video guy to like post their stuff, and now you know well, yeah, but now everybody has one. And when you were you were talking like like for you, like you posted a lot of this on 47 cents, but then you posted a good amount of like more behind the scenes on your stuff too. So it's like it just sucks for you as a creative that you now have to have 16 different social medias for this one for different projects, you know, or however many you've done, and it would be nice to put it all on like one page. But I feel like the like the way this was done of like, hey, this is my shot list of like editing, you know, this is my timeline, this is from behind the scenes, this is the indie go-go. Like, no, brother.
SPEAKER_06:I think I think every time I saw anything, I immediately clicked, watched it, loved it, liked a post. I think that what what I get real like what is really exciting is like that guy that you were talking about, uh homeboy. We won't say his name, uh, up in Indy. Great guy. Um, or or we can. Well, you do it. Uh well, you can. But anyways, like this guy will not only like this guy will not only but like boast his own like project that he's trying to push, like in a chronological order, similar to the way you do, kind of building the anticipation, building the story, building the hype, and then release date posts, release date post, release date post. It's tomorrow. Don't forget, and then boom, cuts it loose or whatever. But then he'll also like pick up other people's projects and post similarly. Yeah. So I think as a creator, I think that's when you should be really excited, is when somebody takes time to be like, oh shit, yeah, don't forget, guys. This guy's doing this. Don't forget this guy is doing this, and when they are like posting almost in parallel with you, like boosting your shit, and that's what this guy does.
SPEAKER_03:I I feel bad for not I just don't post a lot. Like, so I use the marketing for like when I it's like, oh, these are my pages, so now I have something to post instead of like being I'm just not fucking online and I feel awful for not sharing a lot of other stuff, and I just don't I'm changing I'm gonna change that. That's my new year's resolution for next year.
SPEAKER_05:It's like I'm definitely going to be trying to share everything, like anything and everything that it just means a lot to like how how much it keeps your like with the way social media is set up now, it just keeps you in people's eyes. Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:And I just haven't been doing this is the first and and so much of filmmaking is advertising. Who's the biggest put millions into marketing? Because it's the only way people know about anything.
SPEAKER_06:Who's the biggest local director you know? Jacob Balinski for sure. Jacob Balinski. What if as you were posting your stuff, you were in contact with Belinsky and he was like, Oh fuck, this kid is doing shit. And like, and then and you would see a post from him, and then another, and then like, oh shit, he's like posting in parallel with me. That's like awesome. He would get super fucking pumped. You know what I mean? Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I just don't know as viewers. Like, what did I do the more viewers feel like?
SPEAKER_05:Well, that the thing too is like the more you spam that content of just you out there building a project when somebody like looks like say somebody comes into town, like the thousand pound sisters that come into town all the time and they need somebody to horrible example.
SPEAKER_03:Can I um Can I talk about something controversial with marketing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Something that really pissed me off, Thomas. Fuck yeah, tell me, Daddy. Okay, tell me. Thomas, you I'm just curious what you think about this, Thomas. Oh man.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, this is gonna be spicy. You don't like my opinions.
SPEAKER_03:But Evansville Photography's advertisement for the past two three months.
SPEAKER_02:Piss garbage me.
SPEAKER_06:No, I'm jugging. You want my honest opinion? Fuck that shit. Hold on, hold on. Are we gonna are we gonna edit this out or are we gonna try to leave it in?
SPEAKER_03:I don't give a fuck. They can I'll hey Evansville Photography and whoever is making those AI shit videos for your group, stop. Oh, that that's crazy. Can you show me one? Can you show me one? I haven't seen one. Yeah, pull up Evansville photography.
SPEAKER_05:I thought we were just talking about the Evansville photography scene of the dude. He was about to shit on like seven different photographers.
SPEAKER_03:No, the photographer. No, hold up, hold up. The photographers, the photographers in Evansville are incredible and impeccable. I love all the photographers. It's the group, whoever is who owns that.
SPEAKER_06:Are we on the right page? Is this the right page?
SPEAKER_03:Evansville Photography Group. They did ads. I saw ads.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, like this. Is this what you're talking about?
SPEAKER_03:No, he said video. Because sometimes you gotta double look. You gotta double look at this AI shit. It was the I saw ads, like boosted posts that totally could not be on their Facebook channel. Like that one, maybe? Yeah. Oh, this one for sure. There's there's one that's a photo. That's fucking whatever, dude. When asked for a photographer in a local Facebook group. Lazy. Sorry, lazy. This made me laugh when I saw it. Oh, thank you, David. Keep go there because there's like these two videos of like this AI-generated dude talking to all these people. Oh, looking actual fake ass cameras. Yes. And it like literally, take this for example. Everyone in my company saw it and dogged you and said we would never be in that photographer. We would never go to that group because you did that. Go to their content and click a creative field. And you are going to advertise media. No, thank you. No, I'm I'm not sorry.
SPEAKER_06:I'm not ignoring you, Jake. I want to find videos. Videos.
SPEAKER_05:Let's see if we can find it on here. I do think that there are some benefits to using AI video for B roll.
SPEAKER_03:I use AI all day. I am I I've been using AI for fucking years.
unknown:That was a really fun shoot. All emails.
SPEAKER_03:No, that's a real person. See, good shit. That's real talking. I don't, I don't see I I that's what I thought. Because I commented on him. I I wasn't gonna hold back. I said I I blazed it a little bit. I was like, I do nobody. This is Don Swater. Are you sure it was Evansville Photography Group? I'm fairly certain. I'm fairly certain. Yeah, Brian, it was probably a post and done by them. Yeah, like probably a post inside the yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it was an ad. So it could have just been one of those ad things. I saw on Instagram. But that's the type of shit I ain't down for. If you if you also think people, it's a this is a art world, and your group should represent your artists and their art, not some crap you want to advertise of a guy talking to a bunch of other AI crap camera people that aren't real. That it's crap. You're lazy. You could get five of your photography friends, put them outside, and take a five-second little B-roll clip of them all talking.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's so hard to do. Shut the fuck up and go out there.
SPEAKER_05:No, yeah, that would be like more real. Yeah to get the actual local people out there.
SPEAKER_03:And you got a person that is in Evansville in the art group in your post that would share it. Like we're talking about.
SPEAKER_05:How can we talked about this and not my point?
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no. Your point, I understand. No, Tom was literally about to burn every photograph bridge he's ever made. He was like, you know what?
SPEAKER_04:Fuck them all.
SPEAKER_03:Check it out. Like we're jumping. We're jumping. That's your personal shit, man. You're just you're having a discussion.
SPEAKER_05:If you're advertising something that is such a creative post either, I was I think I think a lot of the Evansville creative scene is more about dick riding and being at every single local event and posting a photo that you were there. Alright, don't go too far. I'm not like but like you know what I'm saying, like it's all about being at every single event and taking a photo that you're at all these events, and about it's not even kissing ass because it's work. Like dick riding is work. Like you don't you have to know more about the person and their family and all this. I guess it's networking, uh, but it's like it's way more networking than like what you should have to do. And I think that's your work should speak for itself.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, and I think it's a it might be a little perspective of in how much are you working? Because I say that to myself all the time. I'm not out there to like planning. And it's like I see all the other people like um Blake Watson or Graydon that or the A-Zip Pizza guy, Jake, who Jake PNG, I know his Instagram handle, who does all of A-Zip Pizza stuff. Yeah, an insanely incredible, talented cameraman. But he's there. He will all like you'll see him with his fucking camera. He's just either see hardly shit that he does at these events. I just know his shit is incredible. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, damn, I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's how I feel. That's why, like, I'm like, man, like I that's why I was like, I probably shouldn't have said that. You know what I mean? I'm not out there dick riding, I'm not out there even posting. I'm still taking photos, but I'm just not posting them. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:And also, like, you do weddings, right? Well, wedding video, yeah. Yeah, you do what I so do I. Do you see me posting all of my wedding shit? Right. Bro, people are gonna get fucking tired of that, dude. Yeah, I know. I and I just don't want to be the a wedding page. I'm I'm more than a good thing. That's the downside.
SPEAKER_05:That's the downside, is like not getting sucked into a niche. Because like you have like a uh Alonzo or whatever, like he he loves taking regular photos.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, he does boudin on the rag.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but he loves taking regular photos, and then like he did some boudoir photos, and then he started getting hit up only for boudoir, and then like it just snowballed, and now he's just known as like a boudoir photographer, and it's like you know what I mean? It's like you end up getting rat-holed into one.
SPEAKER_03:But it'll make you money, like finding your niche is what makes you money. It's like JRL local. We found our fucking fence family. Like, we are we get money from fence family.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, you guys got adopted, man. I'm happy for you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like but we it's how you make money. Wedding wedding people, wedding videographers, all they post because that's what makes them fucking money. It's the only thing that makes me money. Well, genuinely. It's just out here posting that PVC, that backyard PVC.
SPEAKER_05:Literally, but I don't like the have you seen like the ones now that have like full on crews where they're like, shoot my wedding like it's a reality TV show episode. I love it. I love it. Yeah, and I'm just like, what?
SPEAKER_03:Like, I charge 10 grand. Okay, how do they charge 10 grand? Seen up to 50 grand. Oh, yeah. Fucking, who is that one famous person that costs like a million dollars to film their wedding? Jesus Christ. Yeah, dude. It's it's not a cheap, it's not cheap, man. Sorry for me. Fucking.
SPEAKER_06:Also, anybody that wants their wedding to seem like a Kardashians episode, I'm not here for that, dude. Like, I'm not subscribing to that, dude.
SPEAKER_03:Like, why are you doing this? Okay, you already got married, right?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Okay. Uh five years ago in May, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Did you have a wedding videographer?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, we did uh we did Jake.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you did Jake Jones? Uh Jake Jones, yeah. Okay. Yeah, great dude. And you loved it? Yeah, he's great. Do you regret it? Do you regret that wedding video? So great. So beautiful. So ca like you know now 20 years down from the road, you can show your kids what you look like at whatever age and you sounded like this type shit. Yeah, like you find it valuable.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have the I have the shit saved on my damn MacBook and on a hard drive. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's it's a long video. It's like uh it's like it's like 15 minutes or something. But like it was nice, dude. I mean, he he really consolidated everything down into like and and got really great shots. Um there was like only like one thing that we missed that. See, but my thing is like one thing you're like, I wish we would have got Nana blown her nose in her handkerchief and we're like, so you just got married. Did you have a wedding video? Yeah, shot, dude.
SPEAKER_05:Congratulations too, by the way. Oh yeah, all my buddies are. I'm interested to hear it. So did you did you have them edited or did you edit it? It is not edited yet because I am doing it. Yeah, that's what that's how mine is. I was like, I was like, I'm not gonna hire somebody. Like, I mean, I will pay people just to film it, but I'm not gonna have anybody else edit it. I'll pay four people to film, and I want all the footage, and I'll that's exactly what I did. Doesn't that take away from it a little bit though? It does, no, yeah, it does for me, maybe like the emotional stuff. The funny part is it's okay. So when you're editing something, like Brian was in here listening to me edit or whatever, and like every now and then, like you're listening back to the same thing over and over on a loop, on a loop, and then every now and then, like they're like, Yeah, and then I and you pause and you're just like myself, you know, like you're just like, I would almost hate to do that to my own wedding video, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:There was I'm so bad. I'm an awful person when it comes to I say things while I'm filming a lot. Like my guy, the guys at the shop when they watch my footage, they're like, Jake, what is wrong with you, man? Because I'll just be like, fuck.
unknown:What the fuck?
SPEAKER_03:What the what the fuck are you doing? Like constantly while while I'm shooting.
SPEAKER_06:Joe, I can see your dick through those fucking pants.
SPEAKER_03:There's a sweating I was filming not too long ago for uh just a friend, so I just pulled out a phone camera because they said, Can you do just mind? And I was like, hell yeah, I'll get bad me. I was I just sent them the video without re-watching it, but I was like, What the fuck are you doing? Get the fuck out of my fucking shop. This is not your fucking day. The photographer walks in Frank. And it was like, oh great. It was like the bride's or the groom's aunt, and she was having a really great time, but they were all dancing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But and she's hype and danced with them too. But I'm like, it's not your fucking day.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Go sit down. Get out of the way, hype. Be hype in your fucking chair. Okay, I'm sorry. We're just re-watching this. And I'm just going, fuck, fuck, shit, fuck you. Go fucking sit.
SPEAKER_02:And oh, I felt so bad.
SPEAKER_05:You know, I think it's funny because I have wireless mics that I put on like the groom and stuff, or so like I get to hear some of them. So we were talking about this, yeah. Like a wife and a husband walk up with their candle and you hear them like whispering to each other. I just want to blow it out. Like you hear the officiator talking about every now and then you hear like the officiator talk about some chick walking by, like, or whatever, like in the you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_06:I just give them all see the buns on that one. Jesus fucking Christ, guys. It's like, fuck, that's my grandma.
SPEAKER_03:We almost need to like some people get like really scared. Like, I'd be like, okay, I'm putting this blob on you. They're like, for real?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. I'm like, it only records when I'm recording for Homeland Security, bro. Who do you think's gonna happen?
SPEAKER_03:They're like, Well, I don't know. And then when I go get it from them, they're like, dude, I we said some shit that I would like for you not to hear. I was like, bro, it's don't worry, I'm not going to listen to it. Like, obviously, I'm gonna hear, but I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna scrub I believe me, I'm not scrubbing through your audience. But I'm lining it up and deleting it. Yeah, I'm linking it and I'm getting this shit done. I'm not, I don't think it's a good one.
SPEAKER_06:Little Diddino 20 hours later, you were fucking reporting a murder to the police department. Uh this guy definitely admitted to burying a f ⁇ er.
SPEAKER_05:Uh sorry, late Reddit's wild, too.
SPEAKER_03:I posted if possible's trailer on Reddit and asked people Evansville's Reddit, and I got great responses from the trailer. No shit. Even somebody's from Reddit came to the showing because of Reddit. So that's it. Oh no shit. Hell yeah, dude. Shout out to Reddit, man.
SPEAKER_05:I had to edit a post. I got perma-blocked on uh a page.
SPEAKER_06:Oh what did you um Yeah, we won't. Okay. Yeah. Because I hate editing shit out.
SPEAKER_02:He'll be like, we won't.
SPEAKER_05:I do have a question for you guys because just because we were talking about like Yes, I ordered a pair of Kanye shoes and I'm still waiting on them a year later.
SPEAKER_06:Fucking Yeezy.
SPEAKER_05:Yeezy, yeah. Oh my god. I've been three different times.
SPEAKER_06:I love the qu I love it when people ask us questions. It's exhausting always asking the question. I bet. I'm not sure. What's up, dude?
SPEAKER_03:Um, so we we we were just talking about like a lot of like video people, photography, what we don't like, what we do like. So, what annoys you guys about other people's podcasts? Not locally, just just you can name big bigger things, other podcasts, because I have something that I don't watch the local podcasts. No, I didn't say local, I said not local, not local podcast, like other people's podcasts that kind of like what like is it anything that annoys you or you think that something could be done differently that maybe yeah, people with good hair, like get fucked, all of you.
SPEAKER_06:Like if you have good donut operator, prime example, dude is a fucking stud. If you guys are on YouTube at all, you know who the donut operator is, and if you don't get fucked. We understand, yeah. Bro, he has beautiful, luscious hair, and he's fucking built.
SPEAKER_03:You know, he's just fuck you.
SPEAKER_06:I mean, honestly, like, yeah, dude, if you don't have hair, get on in here, bro. You are in my tribe. Tom, what's the number one thing you hate about podcasts?
SPEAKER_03:Or it's just annoying.
SPEAKER_05:Like anything you find annoying for like jerks you're just either uh too like too many cuts too fast, like just a bunch of just like try like you can tell they're just using cuts to try to keep your attention and not relying on like their audio. And like audio can be totally some audio. You know, some of the because the audio audio is the number one thing.
SPEAKER_06:Like if there's not decent audio on the code. I'm out, I'm out. That's actually valid. I would go with bad audio over good hair. If you have if you have horrible dog water fucking audio, 30 seconds in, I'm clicking out of your fucking podcast. Like know what you're doing, brother. Like, yeah, if you listen to our first uh uh 50 podcast.
SPEAKER_05:Well, every now and then they're not all great, you know what I mean? Like some of them, like we shot Kevin Titzer's in an empty art museum with just his giant, dude. And there was like that was awesome.
SPEAKER_06:Did you see it?
SPEAKER_03:I was like, were you able to get up to Jasper and see the fucking thing? I was just I watched Sack Race with Knives, and that's it was like a religious experience.
SPEAKER_06:Like seeing this guy, it's so fucking excellent. I still have a video that's going back to walk around. You were saying I didn't mean to cut you off.
SPEAKER_05:But no, I'm just saying, like, it like like I'm understanding of sometimes where like if I can look at the video and see that like the environment isn't necessarily audio friendly, like every now and then um Rick Rubin, like I'll watch his podcast. Yeah, he does that shit. And they'll he'll be just like in the backyard of like just in his backyard in some like crazy whatever. And I'm like, alright, like it's gonna be wendy, or like there's gonna be crickets, or yeah, there's like a goddamn cicada on his microphone.
SPEAKER_06:We're like, dude, we fucking get Yeah. Like, dude, fucking can you do any better than this? No, but uh yeah, I think uh yeah, don't treat your podcast. What I was the point to he was saying, like the quick cuts and the quick shots, man. Like, I think some of the best podcasts are um single single uh like people that just do like themselves on camera. No cuts, just one camera, one microphone.
SPEAKER_05:Best case scenario. Well, those are those are kind of in right now.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but best case scenario, something like this. You do one, like you should be able to shoot the best podcast, can be shot in one frame. Can be shot in one fucking frame.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, to a degree, it's better to have three.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, add angles, add angles, visually pleasing, get keep keep attention, one distance, two up close.
SPEAKER_06:And honestly, McConaughey, fuck, dude, he has such good hair.
SPEAKER_05:Well, like in an environment like this, you can't expect to have perfect audio.
SPEAKER_03:Fuck, dude. And I I I feel like the thing that I that annoys me, but it sadly, sadly, it works that, but it's what sadly works is rage bait fuckers. What? Rage bait fuckers. There's this podcast that like they just talk about film cameras, and like if you only use a gimbal, you're missing a hundred percent of your shots. Facts, bro. Like Casey Nice has said, use tripods more. I'm like, bro, I'm filming a wedding. Do you want your entire wedding? It all depends. It's it's so this you can't say one thing is bad. Gimbal's a crutch. Bitch, you you your handheld is shaky as fuck. Even though handheld is beautiful, it's the extension of your hands, it's art. Do they know? Yeah, they do, but the point is, is like equipment is a help, it's a tool. It doesn't make anything or break anything, it's it's purpose. What is the purpose of this tool? I'm glad you brought this up though. It's rage bait.
SPEAKER_05:Well, so that's not like rage bait fucking people do it with the iPhone. Yeah. Like every year in this window that we're in right now.
SPEAKER_03:But guess what? I go to their fucking podcast and I fucking comment on it because I'm like, you're full of shit. And they get fucking attention.
SPEAKER_06:But I would like to say, while we're stopping here with the the use of the gimbals, folks at home or listeners, viewers, whatever, if you're using a gimbal, you're trash. Uh and I'm that's funny, is put my fucking foot down right there. You're not even a fucking videographer, dude. Brian showed up to help.
SPEAKER_05:Brian showed up to help and had to carry a gimbal around. Like, it adds five pounds. It's no joke.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, it kills your back. It kills your back.
SPEAKER_06:No, I'm strong as fuck. I can do two gimbals at one time, bro. They fucking fucking shut up.
SPEAKER_03:And one is just for vlogging. One's a selfie, the other one is shooting out, dude. The Osmo, you know, just holding Osmo.
SPEAKER_05:Who are some of the Did have you played with any of the new 360 cams? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You have? Yeah. Are they? Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_06:Did you get one of the Chinese ones before they banned it?
SPEAKER_05:All Chinese mouth. No. No, what if you were telling me that? DJI 360 isn't released yet because of the city. Did you hear about this one? Yeah, they're gonna. You can't get it in the US right now. The DJI 360.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, you can't? No. No, they're not gonna allow it.
SPEAKER_05:You can still get the insta360.
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, so I haven't messed with DJI. I'd I I know I just came out with one and it's supposed to be like just a step better than the 360.
SPEAKER_05:That's crazy. No, but they're fucking awesome. I I was in theory, I was like, we could get rid of all three cameras and put an Insta360 in here and then re-exit. What are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_06:I say don't. Do you lose resolution with one camera right here in the center of us?
SPEAKER_03:Uh it's it's like it's like okay, because you think about it the.
SPEAKER_06:Your hesitation is uh it's it's spiking my my autistic aut autoistic anxiety driven.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sorry, because that's who I am. I don't know everything because it's all opinion-based, it's so subjective. Why don't they crazy new? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Like 360 camera, like yeah.
SPEAKER_03:What if it's fucking incredible and you just need one? But my thing is is you have this bubble. The glass is insanely wide, and then your sensor is about this fucking big. Right. That sensor is about this fucking big. What's gonna be better? Yeah, the sensor that's this big.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, that's that's what's a rhetorical question. Yeah, I was waiting for you to give me the answer. I'm so goddamn stupid. Bro, like waiting, I was like, I don't know which sensor is better, bro.
SPEAKER_03:You fucking tell me, dude. It's an incredible sensor. It has audio, dude. I'm not a camera guy. I don't fucking audio. I fucking hate audio. It'd be up if you ever need audio.
SPEAKER_05:I would love, I almost want to offer somebody a deal of like, let me film your entire wedding with an iPhone. Do it, and then do it. Send it to iPhone because that Apple has those like shot only on iPhone competition competitions.
SPEAKER_03:If you do that, get adaptable lenses, you will boost it by 25%. Oh, yeah, they just click on because you know it can don't keep it at that one time zoom and then put on a lens that is an actual millimeter for your zoom. It will be so crisp. People do it all the time. Crispy as well. I tell every like there's this guy I was talking to not long ago. He's like, I just have a phone, I really want to get into this stuff. I was like, dude, use the phone. Do use the fucking phone. It's all I got into it all the start. That's how we got into this podcast, brother. Just use fucking adapt. If you're going to go shoot something professionally or you want to look a little bit more professional and have a little bit more of crispness, buy a hundred dollar fucking lens for your.
SPEAKER_06:Is that what they cost? The pop-on lenses for the fucking phone.
SPEAKER_03:It goes, it varies, but like you can get a good one for a hundred bucks. No shit. Yeah, dude. Tom?
SPEAKER_06:I just get the new iPhone every year.
SPEAKER_03:It's still good, man.
SPEAKER_06:It's tell them to buy us a couple fucking pop-ons for the buy pop-on.
SPEAKER_03:It's but it's like not necessary. It's just buy a strap for the Apple. But that's like the whole point of like, do you want an SA360? Is that what you value? Do you value one camera versus more? And do you not care about this type of quality? Because you don't have to care. It's all about your brand and what you want to say.
SPEAKER_06:I think, yeah, I think what boils down to like with the podcast is just like what are we trying to portray? I mean, do it do I care if it's shot in 4K, 8K? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we shoot it in 4K and then we export it in 1080.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but like who who I care about is did Jake have a good time? Did Jake tell his story? Did I ask good questions? Those are good things to care about. Exactly. You know what I mean? If his camera cuts out halfway through, yeah, I'm gonna be real butthurt, but still the audio is there, you know what I mean? The story is there, that's what matters. That's all that matters. And I'm guilty of having these panic attacks, like about the cameras and stuff.
SPEAKER_05:I just don't let Brian see the weakness, you know what I mean? He's like freaking out, and I'm like, it'll buff out. You guys internally, I'm like, fuck me. Like, I'm such an idiot. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:But no, you guys fucking work it though. Like, you know, you guys are a good team.
SPEAKER_05:We shake it, we shake it for money out here, bro. And I just love I just want, like, you know, to be the pod fathers of Evansville.
SPEAKER_03:Can I I think you are I'm in my mind, I don't know anybody else. What's that other I've been seeing because I've been several people had posters. Well, don't put your daydream in it's done. They're their trailers at the food at uh Porchfest, and I saw that is it called someone else's podcast or everywhere, everyone's podcast? I don't know. Everyone's oh you're talking about Wally Opus's podcast. Is that what it's called um everyone's it it's like encapsulates a group of some sort. Go to West. Is it is it musicians?
SPEAKER_05:I think that's sounds accurate. Well, that's not the name of it, but it's it's for musicians. It's the everybody else podcasts.
SPEAKER_03:Everybody else podcast, yeah. And I haven't I don't know any I think it yeah, it's for musicians. Yeah, it is musically driven. Yeah, that's the point. And I've just been seeing I don't know anything about it. I've just been seeing but that again, he's good. I know fucking it's half of the fucking market. It's annoying as well.
SPEAKER_05:Dude, he had a he had a theory uh I saw the other day on uh music videos, and he thinks the music video scene's dead.
SPEAKER_03:That's bullshit. Okay, people okay, I'm about to have another fucking opinion. Hold on. Hold on, hold on. The music here is not dead. Let's see how to do this. Can we play the play the audio?
SPEAKER_06:It started over. Yeah, what is he saying?
SPEAKER_01:I heard recently that the music video is dead. I don't disagree with that. But I don't think that the idea of the music video should die. I just think we should turn it vertical, make it shorter, make it more engaging, make it more personal to the artist. But the the themes and like the intention behind the music video doesn't have to die, just the formats can change. And and instead of focusing on we have to have a video, we just focus now on let's make great, let's make great reels, let's make great content out of this. That seems to be like the the the keeping the music video alive, even if the format itself is dead.
SPEAKER_03:I agree.
SPEAKER_06:Conceptually smart conceptually Okay, Wes Lutrell, first off, you're a fucking genius.
SPEAKER_05:Well, it's taking it's taking a long piece of content, a music video shot long ways, and literally just chopping it up into bits like everybody. Who wrote that song?
SPEAKER_03:Everybody's been doing sorry, but that's what it's been changed to for the past four years.
SPEAKER_05:That's what the nice part would be to film it vertically and horizontally, drop the folding.
SPEAKER_03:Or just focus on keeping it wide enough for you to be cropped into a vertical that you know. Center frame everything.
SPEAKER_06:So like whatever the object is, center frame.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and again, a lot I've seen a lot of musicians do the style of they still post a horizontal on TikTok and they do turn vertically and they do this and it does well sometimes. Again, it's your brand. What the fuck do you want to show the people?
SPEAKER_05:What do you want to show the people with 47 cents?
SPEAKER_03:What do I want to show them? Yeah, you started this thing, man. You started this wild ride, dude. I think for for me, I just want people to know that I'm down for not just one thing. I want to be known as the guy that can do multiple types and styles of ideas, comedy to horror, to just everything to commercial, to to everything. Because I love this art form because everything that anybody can create is beautiful to me. Like podcasts, they're beautiful because it's an art form, it's conversations, it's it's everything that has to do with a visual interpretation of what you want to show the world.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I get to make Brian feel okay. So we had a military guy in, and they were and Brian and him were talking about a movie they watch and how they didn't like sweep the house, right? And all this and that. Oh, I love those kinds of things. You break down movies where you're like, what were they what are they doing right here?
SPEAKER_03:Like I can see a lighting shadow where we have I have I'm I'm I'm a pretentious little asshole. Right when it comes to the city, I can't do any better, you know what I mean? But like I know I don't have fucking I can't do any better, but also Yeah, I don't have$130 million either, though. Right. So it's like what I say is against a a huge team that are big professionals, and they show it to the world because they have the fucking money to. So I I feel like we have a right as film as cinephiles, I guess you could say. That sounds pedophilic. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:It sounds like a sexual charge. It does. Cenophiles or it's like really into centipedes. Yes. You know what I mean? Maybe we don't say that word again because I don't like it. It doesn't matter. Doesn't make my belly feel good. My dumb dum hurts. Brian's uncomfy. I'm not comfy. This doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_04:A file at the end of it.
SPEAKER_06:Like, oh, maybe we don't talk about the kids for a minute. You know what I mean? Maybe just leave the kids out of this.
SPEAKER_03:Uh but you know what I mean with like after you go watch a movie, the best part of it is going outside and just having that conversation in your group about the film. Oh, it's it's what makes film, you know, it's us talking about it and like what we love, what we hated, what could be taken out. Did something matter? Did something not matter? What was the purpose? Like guessing, because every movie's up for interpretation until you go watch an interview with a director or filmmaker to see their point on the internet.
SPEAKER_06:Even then, some of the best, unless it's like fucking science fiction or some gay shit that has like math and shit behind it, for the most part, you know what I mean? Like for the most part, even the some of the best, like Nolan Ryan will be like, nah, man, I just fucking you tell me. Some of the best artists will be like, nah.
SPEAKER_03:That's exactly I asked Shane that. I said, What did that mean to you when I watched the film? And he was like, That's the best thing, dude.
SPEAKER_06:That's the and and Cooper Cooper has said it. I am Kevin Titzer said it. Kevin Titzer said it. Like some of the some of like some of truly the best artists that I know are just like you tell me.
SPEAKER_05:I wonder like if I if I I love that, dude. I love that. Don't ruin it. When I do my when I do my short film, I'm gonna have to save up enough money to get one of those peel-off plastic face masks things. So like I my film goes on and then I can put one of those on and then like go outside and be like, So what do you think of that guy's film?
SPEAKER_03:You know, I can get like honesty. Yeah, that would be fun. That would be fun. I I I really want to I would love to do that because I even asked there was a group that was surrounding me, and they were like just so loving the film, and they asked the question about uh the girl scene in the in the attic, and they were like, What was that? I was like, Well, for me, it was to deal with consumerism and the shit we put in our body, and they were like, Oh, and I was like, but also I would rather what did what was it for you? Because I were you just confused because I need that's something good to know. Is it just confusing? Because it is just a metaphor, but is it confusing like it didn't land that I need to know that? And I was asking people like what what what shown that you didn't understand and it did matter that you didn't understand that thing. Nobody had anything because it's it's it's obvious, like it's pretty straightforward. It's clear cut, it's pretty straightforward. There are metaphors, and it's all a different world from his psyche and his perspective, so you can still it's up for interpretation, but it's still it is what it is. What is this? Is my favorite thing.
SPEAKER_06:God, I love it, dude. I love it when people talk shit. Oh god, I fucking love it. Like, I love it, I hate it. I want to fight you, but also thank you. You know what I mean? Like, I love that shit. Yeah, what is the fucking worst thing that you've heard from somebody? They were like, this shit's retarded. Oh like you know what I mean? Like, what's the worst what what is something that somebody has said to you about it in a negative way? Or like maybe it was constructive, or maybe it was just plain rude, but like, what was the worst feedback that has stuck with you?
SPEAKER_03:Hey, I'll I'll shout out Brie. I love you. This is my wife.
SPEAKER_06:It wouldn't be fucking she finishes the film, she's like, This is dumb. This is dumb as shit.
SPEAKER_03:She had a point, but I also disagree. I want to hear it. Oh, Brie, I love you so much. I want to hear this. The scream, the girl scream. We didn't, we we don't argue. It was just like, she's like, I just think it could be cut back. She's like, I think the scream part needs to be shortened. And I was like, why? Why why do we want why do we want to cut back? I think you should have gone harder.
SPEAKER_04:I think we should add five seconds, you know.
SPEAKER_03:She was like, I just think it's like an awkward, you know. She's like, I think it's just awkward, but I I did take it back two frames. I said, I'm not taking it back that far, but better? She's like, a little better, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, mediums. That's what this industry is all about. Finding the medium between your opinion, because your opinion is not stupid, right?
SPEAKER_05:Right, Brian wants to kid having a full-blown meltdown, banging their head against the back seat of the driver's car, freaking out.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, dude. What if you dude? What if the fucking just like crashes into the car, the kid screams, moms herself?
SPEAKER_08:What is it? What's happening?
SPEAKER_06:And uh, you gotta bleep one of those words. Oh, that's fine. I gotta bleep. I gotta bleep one of those words. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. Total pandemonium. Yeah, just that's I love movies. That's my shit. I love movies. Take it to the extreme. Like go further than you should have.
SPEAKER_03:Like that's why you need to watch climax.
SPEAKER_06:Go, go to where you're like, yeah, that's beautiful. Then further. Now I'm gonna just drop a bottle.
SPEAKER_03:And sometimes some people would find that lazy. Like, you know, it's like, what is the journey where there's oh, one guy asked me, my buddy who made the poster, I don't have it anywhere yet, but he made the design of the poster and he he's he loved it. He was like, dude, this is incredible. But I have one question was the journey worth it? And he's talking about the character and watching it. Is is this journey a worthy story? And I was like, oh, no one has asked me that. That is such a good point. And I was like, What it what is worth? And what is the whole this whole concept? What is this person we got? Is he has no worth. Now you gotta find a quote. But like that 25 cents. Exactly. That worth is random stores. I can't give too much away because uh, but no, but no, I think you can say 47 cents.
SPEAKER_06:I think it is worth it, brother. Thank you. Because the the movement, if you will, let's call it a movement. Because it is. I mean arguably this might be the biggest, largest civil movement. Since I don't want to drop any names, but this is a big civil movement. This is something that could change the world. If possible?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Dude, wow, that's a that's a big saying. I mean, yeah, like.
SPEAKER_06:I mean, does no one in this room agree? Does no one in this room agree?
SPEAKER_05:If everybody, if everybody did it, the world would be a better place. The point is, the point is small.
SPEAKER_06:The point is small. The point is spreads. You're showing this infectious fucking madness, the chaos that is occurring. The decay, the moral fucking decay of our civility in front of your own fucking eyes. Yeah, dude. Dude, I agree. It's deep. I'm passionate about this. Thank you, man. I'm fucking I'm in on this. I love this. I'm so fucking deep. See, this is the type of shit I didn't like specs. I'm fucking seeding. Dude, I will take this to the fucking goddamn government. I will knock on Trump's door and be like, play this.
SPEAKER_04:Put this in childhood education.
SPEAKER_06:Make this fucking mandatory.
SPEAKER_03:That's one thing I'm mad. I'm fucking tired of myself. I'm mad at myself for not going to both Trump and Driver's Ed. I should have knocked on his door. Get up in his D. Should have gone to the Donald's. Uh I didn't ask any like stores or um. Well, sorry. Fuck uh Art Artistic Council. What's the Evansville Art Council? Because there's like a lot of PSA people that would push this kind of effect on, and I haven't marketed or the nice part is there's like a whole nother year.
SPEAKER_05:But there's time.
SPEAKER_03:And hopefully after maybe I can hit up a couple people, get more money too. Because believe me, I spent a lot of money and it's only submitted to twelve. And it's fucking yeah. What is it? A hundred dollars an application. It's uh I think I did three sixty dollar ones, and then like victory was only thirty, thank God.
SPEAKER_06:You're really pumped about the guy, the one named after the guy. You said it earlier. Jones Scott Scott Jones what was you're entering it into uh Oh Jacob Owens. Jacob Owens, yeah. Where is that one at?
SPEAKER_03:Jacob Owens, he's out in LA. That's a oh yeah, he's out in LA, and that's like a private screening, they just vote on it and then they send you money or gear. But you don't know him there's a lot of contests there. There's people do contests like that all the time, and it really just puts filmmakers in in pressure, and like you want to be have fun and be creative and hopefully win something. Like submit a hundred bucks.
SPEAKER_05:How hard is it though to have like a full-time job and then also work on this project? I know, but I'm just like like I was sitting there trying to think of like I know people like there's so many projects that like I would want to do and get involved in, but it's like yo, where's the time? This is fun.
SPEAKER_06:This is fun. I'm so glad you brought that up. Pretend this is your nine to five. How fast does this film get pushed out? Oh, Jesus. Because it took you, it took you way too long. It took you to procrastinate. It took you three months to shoot, and then it probably took you six months to edit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Nine months total. In in total, start to finish ish.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I didn't start because I was so mad at myself. So now you even I hated it after finishing the film. Like after rap, I was like, I looked at footage, I was just like, fuck.
SPEAKER_06:Let's throw it away. Uh I'm done here. I'm done.
SPEAKER_03:So I didn't touch it because I like that insecurity.
SPEAKER_05:And then like your first two weeks is just sorting.
SPEAKER_06:Yep. Just so sort of organized. In fairy tale, in fairy tale land, you don't have a job, but you're shooting this exact same film. How long does it take you to shit out this nine-minute, nine and a half, almost 10-minute long film?
SPEAKER_03:And it's all about the sketch. This is your nine to five. Nine to five. Nine to five. Let's assume three months for shooting. Oh, I could get this shit. This would have been this absolutely could have been done in a weekend. Three days. No shit. Oh, 100%. If you had the cast on point, if everything was on point, if locations were available. Everything. Because that also that location fucking had to wait because we were supposed to shoot way before that, but the w uh festival was happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I couldn't go there.
SPEAKER_06:What about um editing?
SPEAKER_03:Editing? Oh. Shoot it in a weekend. Jesus. How long do you edit a 10-minute film? Jesus. I would say to your standard. To your standard. To my standard, I would, I would full time. I I would give it you could do it in two months to two and a half. All right. Now this is full fucking.
SPEAKER_06:This is me boosting you for like other people that are gonna see this and be like, oh, you know, like for future directors, be like, oh, this guy is a gangster, you know? Thank you, man. But it is hard, no, to Tom's point though, like, where is the fucking time, dude? Oh my god. And then what does that say about your drive and your passion? So much.
SPEAKER_03:Like I'm lucky that I work at JRL. I'm so lucky. Because I can look at the video and photography and I can look at that dude and be like, dude, I'm fucking stressed right now. I need to take tomorrow off. I can only come in for three hours. And he's like, You got that shit done, you can go. Do you have anything done? Do you have stuff to work on? I'm like, no, you got it done. He's like, Bet, leave. He's like, it's your paycheck. Or you're like, you know, he's like, I'm or you know, you need lights or 12 ladder. Oh, yeah. He was a lot. He was and again, he's like, here's all the gear.
SPEAKER_06:He's like, dude, this is big shoots to him actually fucking coming out on location with a fucking 100%. Hundred foot ladder or whatever it was.
SPEAKER_05:I think it was a fire truck.
SPEAKER_06:Out here like a goddamn firefighter. Yeah, Jordan is actually part-timing. He moonlights as a fucking firefighter. Go to the if possible page. To the actual if possible, uh what? I IG? Yeah, that one. Yeah, that dude.
SPEAKER_03:And if you scroll down, it's it's there's the ladder. There's the ladder. But on another post, there's uh more down. Okay, that one. The with top right with Brie in it. Yeah. We scroll over. This was yeah, he brought that out, but we also, if you keep going, keep going. There, we put it on the butt on the top back of his truck just to get up there. Oh yeah, dude. And look at him holding that fucking ladder, dude. He brought two ladders. He said, Which height you want, boy? That's what a producers do, man.
SPEAKER_06:They'll road for you. Jordan's a fucking gangster.
SPEAKER_03:But let's talk about that man's return. He's he's he brought that dolly, and we didn't use it in any of the shots. But it was cool though. The shot was cool. Oh yeah, dude. Didn't use it, but that's my that's my little fucking bridge troll, dude. I have to shout out Eli. You know, Eli is just Chicago. Is that the Chicago hat fella? Yeah. Yeah, dude. He's just a fucking that's him right there.
SPEAKER_06:Can you link me up with Eli? I want to talk to him, dude. Eli is there? Would he do good?
SPEAKER_03:He's a good talker. Oh yeah. He's he's great. I like a good talker. And him and Mason Boss and Luke, they I met all of them at the same time. Like yeah, dude. Eli works with me, me and Reed. And Reed also did the score for it. I work with him. He's he's a part of the truck. You guys know truck?
SPEAKER_06:Bro, we didn't even talk about the score only because we listened to it through our headphones, and it pisses me off. I'm a big audio guy. I'm a big audio guy. I fucking only care about so when I hear it.
SPEAKER_05:Max volume, you know.
SPEAKER_03:So that's also the most important part of film. Genuinely. 100%.
SPEAKER_06:If your audio's off, visuals can match. Let's just talk about instrumental bands. You know what I mean? Like and how influential they can one of my favorite directors. Um I and I can't even remember his name. No, the guy that directed Friday Night Lights, the guy that directed um Lone Survivor, the guy that directed um Lone Survivor Friday. No, not the show, the movie. The movie, the movie movie director. I know his fucking name. It's real scraggly looking real scraggly looking fella. Anyways, uh this gentleman that directed these films, have you seen Friday Night Lives? Good. Phenomenal. I've heard of it for sure. Peter Berg. Peter Berg. Yep. Peter Berg.
SPEAKER_03:Can you scroll down? I want to see what he's got.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, scroll down. Let's check out his IMDB real quick. What else has he got here?
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Known for very bad things. Chicago.
SPEAKER_06:Lone Survivor's huge. Lone Survivor. Oh yeah, I've definitely heard of Lone Survivor. Lone Survivor. He was a producer on that. No, he was the director on right? Was he not the director on Lone Survivor? Go down. Producer. Scroll down. Your fucking MacBook's at all. Producer.
SPEAKER_03:We can't see it. Yeah, you fucking turret.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, he's a producer. Okay. Here nor there. These films are they they tickle a little a thing. I don't know how to explain it. He he like finds a bone that you did the leftovers?
SPEAKER_05:Executive producer?
SPEAKER_06:It's like a bone you didn't know you had. And then you find it when you're watching this film. Middle school. And then it rings it. And then it there's just this weird emotion. Whatever emotion he wants you to have, he will give it to you in that moment. And it's this little imaginary bone.
SPEAKER_03:Do you feel like most of it's from the music and score? Huge. Like just a huge port of it. That's a lot of those thrillers.
SPEAKER_06:He has the uh he has this band that he uses a lot, and I only found them after the second film I watched by him, which was Lone Survivor, and I was like, damn, this Peter Berg is on to something. And then I looked up some of the bands he used, and um a majority of the band that he one of the the music that he used in Lone Survivor was Explosions in the Sky. They are an entirely instrumental band, and I believe they're from Europe, and I would love to have a conversation with them, but their music is just so fucking deep. Gotta love that. So fucking every song portrays an emotion that anger, angst, sadness, wealth, logic.
SPEAKER_03:It can say so much.
SPEAKER_06:All instrumental. No verbiage, no fucking lyrics, just entirely. Where are they from?
SPEAKER_03:So this might be this might be really hard for you guys.
SPEAKER_06:Austin, Texas. Okay, beautiful. Shout out to Texas.
SPEAKER_03:This might be hard for you guys. I wanted to compliment you on the score. Thank you. Especially the first track. The first track is beautiful. The guitar and everything's so beautiful. And I I hate to say that is artless. I did go through and find artless things, but most of most like the ending song, uh, the credit score song, that's by Truck and Reed Ribley. And Reed also put all it was all like if you listen to it back, it's all guitar. He's got this sick ass just bridges and whatever the fuck he does. He's just making noise. He's just for the whole entire with a noise that added into it. He just was as guitar, and it was just beautiful. Um beautiful score. Yeah, beautiful score. Reed Ribley's incredible. But do you guys know Truck? I don't. Dude, an incredible fucking. Where are they from? Here. Yeah, they play here all the time. But I work with Reed at work and he's in the band called Truck.
SPEAKER_06:No shit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's they're fucking lit.
SPEAKER_06:Are they like a uh twangy kind of southern rock kind of?
SPEAKER_03:Dude, no, they're like indie uh 90s rock, very cinematic. I call it cinematic rock. It's very heavy bass, very heavy, very, very like just like headbanging beauty. That's what like I I can't describe a yeah, here they are. Shout out fucking truck, baby. Yeah, baby on IG rock. Can we follow them, please? I made that video for them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Are we gonna get flagged for showing this? I don't. But they fucking dude. Look at this video. They rock, bro. See, now I would call that almost kind of southerny.
SPEAKER_03:I think they they do, he does love cut, he does have a 90s country.
SPEAKER_06:No, like skinnerty. Skinnerdy kind of, but 90s skinnered.
SPEAKER_03:I I bet he would agree with that.
SPEAKER_06:Like 90s, but yeah, it's hard to pin an artist down, especially with music. We've had some. Hannibal was a Skinner fan.
SPEAKER_03:Who? Hannibal?
SPEAKER_05:Like Hannibal Lecter? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:No shit. I was making a wordplay joke. Skinner. Skinner fan. See, some shit just goes right over my head when it's so good. Brian hates him. Skinner Leonard or Hannibal? Which one?
SPEAKER_06:I am so tired of these fucking third grade dad jokes. Uh, it is fucking killing me.
SPEAKER_03:Is that pun? Is that a pun? I don't know what it is. Can you look up what a pun is? I can never remember what it is.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, can you Google what a pun is real quick just so we can let the viewer punt? No, yeah, don't he's like, also it's a fucking kicking. What's a pun, Tom? You gotta learn how to fit.
SPEAKER_03:Say it out loud for the future.
SPEAKER_06:Uh so a pun is a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words which sound alike but have different meanings. So it was a pun. Yeah, it's a pun. It's a play, uh play on words. Yeah, he's a punter. You're such a punter, Tom. Um honestly, you should enjoy it. You should try it out for the NFL because I heard a lot of kickers are hurt this year. Yeah. Yeah, you guys just started. You're into football, right? Big football guy. And I'm not making a joke either. There are like six major big name kickers that are out for the year. I don't know why. Well, that's the soccer league. Very fucking strange. Uh, it doesn't ever happen again. Who's your team? Miami Dolphins. They suck. Uh weirdos. Yeah, so anyways, uh shout out to the Colts. They're fucking crushing it. Um we are in Indiana. Yeah, yeah. Big shout out to the Colts. Did all the punters get vaccinated? I believe so. Um sorry, back to the sorry. You were gonna ask a question, then I cut you off. My bad. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03:Talking about bands of just the local, do you guys have a favorite like local band that you guys like really fucking? What's my answer? Is it the I don't know. That I mean, is it you know the wolf the they're deceased?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they're no more. The strangers.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah now, and then I met some of them last night for the first time.
SPEAKER_06:I met all four of them. Yeah, they're great. They're so great. And my favorite, or not my favorite thing, the weirdest thing. Okay. I'm a 35-year-old dude. They are tailing. So I get these kids, like I hear these kids on the fucking guitar. Is it right? You kids want to come to my upstairs. Come here. Y'all want to come to daddy's house?
SPEAKER_02:Come up here, boy. We're gonna record.
SPEAKER_06:Uh dude. Like it it felt like that. Like it felt like uh so like we ran into these kids because of Wes Latrell. Wes Latrell hooked us up with the interview, a niche, and it was great. We met three out of the four guys. The only guy we didn't meet was uh the um uh we had him twice. Yeah, but the first time we met him, we were missing a member. But anyways, oh, it was the bass player uh who now is with flaming lips touring with flaming lips. Anyways, the point is uh it felt strange when I when Wes showed me their music, and I was like, these dudes are 90 years old. I was like, these fucking dudes can't they think they are. No, I was like, no, it was like a like uh fucking they shred, dude. I was like, they fucking go hard. I was like, dude, this I couldn't tell by the expression. Yeah. I like to do that. I like to do that. You have sunglasses on as hard.
SPEAKER_05:You know what it'd be funny? I think local bands like that need to put in like the damn son, where'd you find this? You know, they just need to start using those old DJ adlets.
SPEAKER_06:Son, where'd you find this shit?
SPEAKER_05:Real then it's just a guitar solo, you know, fitting in. Guitar!
SPEAKER_03:Did you guys so you know Lucas? Yeah, love Lucas. Yeah, Ryland. So he started he just came up with a band called Them Swamp I Them Swamp People. Them Swamp People. They're playing their first gig on the 17th. Oh, shout out to Lucas, them Swamp People. Okay, let me check that out. And then Oh, wait, it could be Them Swamp Things. Ah, I think okay. Go to Lucas's. No, no, no, no, no, no. We'll look it up. Look, just go to IG, go to Lucas's. He doesn't have an Insta for it. He like, they just got together and they're playing their first gig on the shit. Sure. He's like, it's on up and coming.
SPEAKER_06:So back to the point I was wanting to make, though. The point I was wanting to make is I heard their music and I was like, these dudes fucking shred. I was like, yeah, oh, they fucking do. I want to talk to these kids. And he was like, Yeah, Wes was so kind and he was so great. He was like, Yeah, I'll hook it up right away. I'll let them know you want to talk. And then we hooked it up and they came over and I was like, hey, do you guys want a beer? And they were like, We're 12. I was like, fucking what? God damn it. No, but I don't think any of them were of drinking age. Maybe one. No, I don't think any of them were.
SPEAKER_05:I think one was.
SPEAKER_06:The whole point is I felt awfully strange to be infatuated with a band that sounded so fucking good. They were on like a national level. They went to Battle of the Bands in fucking LA and won. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:And won. That's epic. Why did it stop?
SPEAKER_06:And then they got to open for bands like fucking Incubus and Metallica at louder than life. Like they fucking won. Where did they stop? What happened?
SPEAKER_03:They were so fucking good. I don't they fucking can we get drama in here?
SPEAKER_05:I don't I don't know the T.
SPEAKER_03:You know the T? I don't. Uh neither do I, man. Fuck. Let's maybe maybe break them out. Call Wes right now. I'll get him on the phone. Wes, what happened? Bring strangers to you guys ever called someone on the pod? No, we should.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we have before.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, have you call your mom, Brian?
SPEAKER_05:I think we did one time. He told her that he loved her. And then like was like, oh that's sweet. Do you want to call my mom real quick? Why would we call your mom?
SPEAKER_03:It was mom, have you seen the film? But she can't see it. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, whenever it comes out. It would probably be on YouTube.
SPEAKER_05:We went to this uh rucking rosary, uh, where it's like it's like like a 30 dudes get together and they hike with like backpacking rucks on. And every mile they like do the rosary, so like they pray like one Hail Mary and then five Virgin Mary prayers or some other Mary prayer.
SPEAKER_06:You start with the Lord's Prayer, and then for whatever mile you're on, if you're on mile two, you do two Hail Marys. If you're on mile five, you do five Hail Marys, then you do the Lord's uh uh God's prayer, the Lord's Prayer, every single thing.
SPEAKER_05:Every mile is like a Bible quote followed by a stoic quote followed by a question.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it was really nice, dude. It was cool.
SPEAKER_05:But like we're out there going, and Brian's mom walks by. Brian's like, Mom, mom! She doesn't even notice him.
SPEAKER_06:Damn dude, Loki, we should call her just to ask her about that on the podcast. Yeah, dude. Do you think you can figure it out?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Alright, pull up my uh pull up my FaceTime. It should work.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but then she's gonna see me.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, no, no, no, just do audio only. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:What are you gonna ask her, Brian?
SPEAKER_06:No, I'm we're gonna we're gonna confirm this story, and then we're gonna tell her that she's on the podcast. She's gonna get she's gonna get very upset immediately. Yes. Um, no swearing, though. No swearing when she picks up no swearing, okay? Do you want me to go in a higher pitched voice? You want me to go to my customer service voice? Yeah, she's good. You want to give her something nice? Hi, ma'am. She's well, what would be funny is if you answer. Ooh. And then I say, Hello, this is Day. Because she's gonna see my number and she's gonna be like, who's this fucking freak talking to me? Do it, call it. Yeah, call it. Alright, this is live on the Days Ground podcast. We're gonna call my mother to see if she remembers. You just do audio only when you were had a backpack on. It's going. Give me some volume. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:How are you? Hello? Can you hear me? Hello?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, she probably can't hear us today. Dude, she ignored you.
SPEAKER_03:Twice now. Twice ignored. Okay, listen, guys. My mother loves me just for the record.
SPEAKER_06:I'm gonna call her right after this, as soon as we're done here.
SPEAKER_04:Please do. Listen. Clip that never say that to my mother. Clip that show her that.
SPEAKER_03:There was a random guy in the day.
SPEAKER_05:Lexi didn't answer the phone. I said, I'm glad I'm not dying right now.
SPEAKER_09:God damn.
SPEAKER_06:I suck at answering that. That's our second ever phone call on the day, is Grim. We really should get like a call-in line. That would be so high. We should. Ooh. Have a phone in here and shit? No, we just give him my cell phone number.
SPEAKER_03:I don't give a shit, dude. God damn. Fuck my cell phone, dude. You probably have lots of spam calls, don't you? A hundred percent. Yeah. Fuck them. I had my fucking phone number on Facebook for years and I didn't know it. Ooh. And I was like, how do I have so many spam calls? That's fucking one reason. Yeah. One goddamn reason. Maybe take that down.
SPEAKER_05:I just turn off if the number's not saved in my phone, it's going straight to voicemail. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:If it's important, they'll leave a voicemail.
SPEAKER_03:And if it's important, you'll call twice and text me.
SPEAKER_05:I don't want to put that out there. You know, spam call or something got the call twice.
SPEAKER_06:My number is 812-568. No, I'm joking. Um but anyway, so all right, Jake.
SPEAKER_05:Back to Was there a moment on if possible? Hold on. Can I ask one more question?
SPEAKER_06:One more question, then we'll terminate this puppy, I promise. Um before we get to that question, I want to get to one more question. What does what are you hoping this film says? Fuck.
SPEAKER_03:Oh. Oh man.
SPEAKER_06:Macroscopic.
SPEAKER_03:Macroscopic not giving it away.
SPEAKER_06:And as vague as human possible.
SPEAKER_03:As vague as human possible.
SPEAKER_06:But what is what I want what do you want it to say?
SPEAKER_03:I care about, and I was really honored to get the audience choice awards because I had the audience very highly in mind. So I hope an audience f takes away the how to do ambiguity and you can really do a lot of confusing things and still have a good twist that reveals all your confusion. If that makes sense. Because for me, when I first it's like, okay, I gotta make a short film, but it has to be good. Look up on YouTube what are the best short films ever made? Okay, bet what do all of the best five-minute short films have in common? Plot twists. The biggest, best, and it can be the smallest little oh, his name was wrong. And I there was this whole entire five five-minute lead up to a dad who and a son that thought he was adopted, but really they just got the wrong papers, and then the very ending is showing the reveal that you were wrong because the name was wrong. I get what you're saying. Yeah, like they're gonna be able to get the wrong baby home. Yeah, he went to the wrong address. This whole this whole dialogue is so crazy and dramatic because this adopted son thinks you're the father, but really the address was wrong. Right.
SPEAKER_05:And it makes the dad mom and they posted on the community page, lost kid delivered to wrong door.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. A whole like there's so plot twist. It's like, okay, so I need to have something that clinches because it's so hard to do anything good in fucking five minutes, let alone 15. You can't develop with your characters hardly. You can, but it's hard to do good character growth in five minutes. It really is. You can have a great character and still do it. I just I'm not a good writer. So I think the biggest thing is focus on your twist or your message that you want to say and give it uh its platform, give it the climax that you want it to have. If you if your message is good, if you have a 20-page script, can it be five? Ask yourself can your 30-minute big idea be five? If it can be five, that's super fucking cool. Is it safe to say you're speaking with this film to artists? Oh, for sure. And also, I I would hope to anyone, because like I said, you get it at yeah, and if you like it, that's a whole other thing.
SPEAKER_06:You could absolutely think I'm not an artist and you have touched me. Awesome. That's both emotionally and you're not just saying that because I'm on your podcast, kind of sexually.
SPEAKER_03:No, seriously. He did say he was aroused after watching that.
SPEAKER_06:That's a quote that's going on. You're gonna quote me. What do you call those? I you gotta put me, you gotta put the days view posts. Yeah. Can we talk about that? Well, don't let me sleep on that because we gotta make that happen.
SPEAKER_05:Now, Tom, you were saying Was there a moment when making if possible where you were just like, nope, this isn't gonna be my short film, I'm done with it. And like, what pulled you through that moment?
SPEAKER_03:All the way through, dude.
SPEAKER_06:All the way through.
SPEAKER_03:Uh the edit, the edit. I think through filming it, I was just gung ho, and I was like, we just gotta fucking do it. Just gotta go, go, go, go. I put all this is scheduled. I can't say no, I can't reschedule. This is a must, right? So, really, through filming, there the last shot, I was flipping the fuck out on that parking lot. There was lights everywhere, and my dumbass didn't go and pre-fucking shoot at that location like a fucking newbie and just see what the lighting was like. I was like, Well, there's lights everywhere, it's fine. There was a shadow everywhere. There was a shadow, so the camera angle went. I wanted like these high angles to feel loneliness. Nope, screw that. You have to do low. So now everybody looks heroic. That's a complaint I have. I think it's still worked out, like it's not very noticeable. Right, but I wanted more of a feeling of highs, impossible. There were lights, a camera was shadowed everywhere. So that pissed me off. But we went.
SPEAKER_05:It sucks that like a lot of Evansville down there is a no-fly zone, so you can't even take a drone and get like a crazy no.
SPEAKER_03:I wish I did a couple drone things, but that's drone things are kind of overrated. So, what pulled you through it? What kept you editing? Adderalls I think Brie, uh, my wife, who's also a producer and a writing curator, or a she's a what's that word? I have it on the my fucking poster. She's and in the credits, she helped me write it. Like she just gave me notes. She was like, This is good, this isn't this work, you know. She just helped me through a lot of in unconfident situations, insecurities, you know, that I was having, you know. I think she really was just like, it's still good. You have the concept is there, you just have to finish it out. And I think so many times, especially like the car has scene, I was so mad I fucking shut my laptop and didn't look at it for another two weeks because I was like, this is fucking what the fuck was I doing?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, you know, it's almost like your concept is like choosing the raw material that you want to craft this monument out of. And now it's all the first thing you have to do is like choose the right raw material or the concept, like to her point, to Brie's point. Yeah, you had the perfect, the correct raw material. It was carving the monument, the detail. That's a good analogy for it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I and I think just also Eli. Eli was such a big fucking motive. Get in here, stud. I know. I want to talk to you. It gave me confidence. I want to talk to you. Because I was like, when I was like hurrying up and I was like, dude, this isn't gonna what am I doing? What am I doing? He's like, bro, chill. It's gonna be okay, man. Like, you're fucking doing it. That's literally fucking Tom. And then he's like, who gives a fuck? He's like, you're the only person who's worried right now. He's like, you will get through this, or like victory. I did not think it was gonna get accepted at all. And then you won. And Eli's like, You didn't even get accepted, you got accepted and then won some shit. And he was like, bro, you're going to get into victory. He's like, and he just gave this, he's so relaxed and chill. Whenever I was freaking out on set, he's like, sure. We can get that.
SPEAKER_05:Like later you'll be giving a speech at USI. You know what I mean? What? Later they'll ask you to like give a speech at USI or something, you know. Oh, that could be cool. I would probably shit my pants. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Hit us up, hit them in the DMs, dude. 47 cents. And there were so many also student filmmakers there last night that I I love student filmmakers because they just have free labor. Oh man, there's so much I could say. I just laughed so hard I got light.
SPEAKER_05:I meant cheap labor. Pizza and some two liters.
SPEAKER_03:It's very true. Maybe a six-pack or whatever, dude. And that's you'll see a lot of you'll see a lot of low budget. You'll see a lot of low budget. Do that. My biggest thing, and I couldn't pay everybody on set. I paid a total of three people, actors. I paid other people, but actors and getting them food was like the biggest part of the budget. And God bless you. They appreciate it. I hope so. All the snacks I bought, a lot of people didn't fucking eat on the side. And then you made this, then you made this.
SPEAKER_06:You made this fucking beautiful thing that they're attached to.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And you're bumping IMDBs.
SPEAKER_03:It's on IMDB now. Yeah. And it's on it's loading on Letterboxd now. I don't know what I'm saying. So do you think you and Brie will make like write, co-write, and make more? And I wanted to say that too, that I'll be working on. Brie wrote an amazing little short, and well, it's episodic kind of almost. It really ends it on like this could be a show, you know, type of thing. And she wrote it, and we've been honestly shoot, we've been practice shooting it of just like ideas because it's a lot of ad lib, it's a comedy. And she might just go straight forward and put it on her YouTube channel. We don't know. We might do a fest run, but we might just go straight to YouTube and just have fun. And also, I need I need the fucking practice. And you need fun. That's the important part.
SPEAKER_06:You need fun. You need to enjoy what you're doing and not be so stressed. Yeah. You gotta find those feelings.
SPEAKER_05:I feel like when you finish a project, you gotta go back to finding the love in the process to then go back to oh, I can do another project.
SPEAKER_03:Because I don't want to look at this edit again. Like every time I pulled it up, and I'm just like, oh fuck. It's done, it's done. Get away from me. I'm out of here. Get away from me. Leave me alone. I want people to see it now, and I don't want to.
SPEAKER_06:It's like an ugly ex-girlfriend. You're like, dude, stop fucking calling me. Check it out, but like don't maybe at 2 a.m. after a couple beers, I'll take a fucking peek at it. Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly.
SPEAKER_06:No, but dude, seriously, I'm so pumped for you, bro. You're you're a fucking stud. I don't care what Tom says about you. Um we're gonna outro on some fucking Motown, apparently. Uh but dude, seriously, uh from the bottom of my heart, this this thing is fucking wild. Thank you. That dude, it's not ever been done. Thank you. That's wild. That honestly, it did touch me. Uh mostly sexually, I think. I was very pumped from the from the opening scene all the way to the credits. Dude, you get to the credits, folks, and you're like, fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
SPEAKER_03:That is what I wanted. I'm so glad that it came across.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it just kind of causes arousal. I loved it.
SPEAKER_05:Seeing it from like paper to actual. I mean, that's so exciting.
SPEAKER_03:I love that, I love all the people that got to do that too. Because so many people were just so unsure, man. They're just so confused.
SPEAKER_06:Like, and it's like, man, just what we're doing?
SPEAKER_03:Very much so. Very much so. But I think I feel like a lot of relationships. A gopher? That's what we're doing here?
SPEAKER_06:You're going with a gopher? You're going with that?
SPEAKER_03:Is that what I mean to say?
SPEAKER_02:Okay. A little wombat. Sure, buddy.
SPEAKER_06:Next upcoming film is about a wombat. Uh no, but dude, seriously, I genuinely mean it. This is the most beautiful thing I've seen in in some time. Very pumped on it. Again, that's if possible, just uh just won a couple awards at the uh Victory International Film Fest 2025. Our man Jake here representing along with his amazing casting crew. Um, you guys really did uh I think I I I don't think I know you knocked it out of the park, man. That's the best nine minutes I've sat down and watched. I'm glad I could sit and watch it with my bros. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:I loved you guys watching it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and the gentleman that made it came in and spent, you know, a couple hours with us. So seriously, I'm so appreciative, Tom.
SPEAKER_05:This has been another thrilling episode of the Days Grimm Podcast. My name is Thomas Grimm.
SPEAKER_06:My name is Brian Michael Day. And this is Ben.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, if possible.
SPEAKER_03:And Jake.
SPEAKER_06:And Jake.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, am I supposed to say my name?
SPEAKER_06:So I thought you already said that. I thought you said my name. And Jake. Sorry. Thank you so much, Jake, dude. I love you, brother. Bye bye.
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